Brittish MP wanted to 'relocate Israel to North America'

[Differing Opinions]

good, hopefully Palestine will become a country.

For about eight seconds until its gobbled up by Jordan and Saudi Arabia

[Napkiraly]

I mean you can't really say "This person is right wing on foreign policy" unless your country has very specific divides about foreign policy. It'd be quite hard for to apply this to, say, the USA where you can find hawks and doves within both parties.

[SD_Film Artists]

I meant in terms of geo-politics rather than economics.

you see I'd define the Geo-politics of the left and certainly the radical left to be internationalist and pacifist in nature, making a country like say Germany more in the camp of Geo-politically left than Iran which is quite militaristic.

Perhaps I'm focusing too much on Respect Coalition, but it doesn't surprise me that George Galloway sides more with Press TV than with Der Spiegel. As for centre and 'normal' leftists I agree Germany or more probably Scandinavia would be candidates with their non-interventionism. What's Libya? I've never heard of it...

[Novus America]

I meant in terms of geo-politics rather than economics.

you see I'd define the Geo-politics of the left and certainly the radical left to be internationalist and pacifist in nature, making a country like say Germany more in the camp of Geo-politically left than Iran which is quite militaristic.

However the idea we can divide any politics into a simple left right dichotomy is inherently flawed.

[Korica]

There already is a State of Palestine. With widespread (though not universal) recognition.

Palestine is not a country de facto, nor it was ever- But let's *not* get into that.

While I as Israeli would love the change of neighbourhood, considering the ME is a total mess, it is still ethnic cleansing... If that offer was serious, I won't say no- It's win-win for me. Better country, you are not longer drafted by law, and less conflict.
But this offer smells from anti-semitisim. It points that Israel is the source of troubles, while it is incorrect- It is the Palestines who refuse to make peace with Israel.

Ironic because your government has committed ethnic cleansing against Palestinians.

[Crockerland]

Palestine is not a country de facto, nor it was ever- But let's *not* get into that.

While I as Israeli would love the change of neighbourhood, considering the ME is a total mess, it is still ethnic cleansing... If that offer was serious, I won't say no- It's win-win for me. Better country, you are not longer drafted by law, and less conflict.
But this offer smells from anti-semitisim. It points that Israel is the source of troubles, while it is incorrect- It is the Palestines who refuse to make peace with Israel.

Ironic because your government has committed ethnic cleansing against Palestinians.

Lies and ignorance with no basis in fact.

[Pelaca]

We should send these Things[Muslims] Back to where they came from.

[Olivaero]

you see I'd define the Geo-politics of the left and certainly the radical left to be internationalist and pacifist in nature, making a country like say Germany more in the camp of Geo-politically left than Iran which is quite militaristic.

Perhaps I'm focusing too much on Respect Coalition, but it doesn't surprise me that George Galloway sides more with Press TV than with Der Spiegel. As for centre and 'normal' leftists I agree Germany or more probably Scandinavia would be candidates with their non-interventionism. What's Libya? I've never heard of it...

I'd say George Galloway is an actual anti-semite.

[Korica]

Ironic because your government has committed ethnic cleansing against Palestinians.

Lies and ignorance with no basis in fact.

really?
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/wp-content/ ... e539c2.jpg
https://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2014 ... n-gaza.jpg
https://2dbdd5116ffa30a49aa8-c03f075f81 ... iption.jpg
http://www.aljazeerah.info/images/2014/ ... ic%203.jpg

[SD_Film Artists]

you see I'd define the Geo-politics of the left and certainly the radical left to be internationalist and pacifist in nature, making a country like say Germany more in the camp of Geo-politically left than Iran which is quite militaristic.

However the idea we can divide any politics into a simple left right dichotomy is inherently flawed.

In theory, yes. There's no reason on paper why someone who supports socialism would support one country or another, yet there are repeated traits. I think it stems from the polarity of the cold war and a general opposition to imperialism; the part where it goes wrong is that such beliefs don't update themselves to current geo-politics; so you end up having anti-imperialist socialists supporting nations who are neither anti-imperialist nor socialist, but they support said nations regardless as they just can't see the wood through the trees.

[Crockerland]

Lies and ignorance with no basis in fact.

really?
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/wp-content/ ... e539c2.jpg
https://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2014 ... n-gaza.jpg
https://2dbdd5116ffa30a49aa8-c03f075f81 ... iption.jpg
http://www.aljazeerah.info/images/2014/ ... ic%203.jpg

muslimmirror.com, a wordpress site, a site named "2dbdd5116ffa30a49aa8-c03f075f8191fb4e60e74b907071aee8.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com", and an Al Qaeda sympathizer news channel, good sources there.

[SD_Film Artists]

really?
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/wp-content/ ... e539c2.jpg
https://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2014 ... n-gaza.jpg
https://2dbdd5116ffa30a49aa8-c03f075f81 ... iption.jpg
http://www.aljazeerah.info/images/2014/ ... ic%203.jpg

muslimmirror.com, a wordpress site, a site named "2dbdd5116ffa30a49aa8-c03f075f8191fb4e60e74b907071aee8.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com", and an Al Qaeda sympathizer news channel, good sources there.

Al Jazeera is a reputable news organisation.

[Crockerland]

muslimmirror.com, a wordpress site, a site named "2dbdd5116ffa30a49aa8-c03f075f8191fb4e60e74b907071aee8.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com", and an Al Qaeda sympathizer news channel, good sources there.

Al Jazeera is a reputable news organisation.

And one which supports Al Qaeda.

[SD_Film Artists]

Al Jazeera is a reputable news organisation.

And one which supports Al Qaeda.

And why would you think this?

[Crockerland]

And one which supports Al Qaeda.

And why would you think this?

https://youtu.be/AS_gkSyOD9Y?t=9m49s

[SD_Film Artists]

And why would you think this?

https://youtu.be/AS_gkSyOD9Y?t=9m49s

A video blogger? Really?

[Meryuma]

but I thought Florida because it's a nice moderate state.

hahahaha

[Korica]

And why would you think this?

https://youtu.be/AS_gkSyOD9Y?t=9m49s

Aiu, really?

[TotallyNotEvilLand]

And why would you think this?

https://youtu.be/AS_gkSyOD9Y?t=9m49s

A conspiracy nut vlogger is about as legitimate and unbiased a source as asking a North Irishman what they think of the IRA.

That and going by his other videos with such fantastically smart titles as "pathetic white pussies complain about race", the guy is a complete and utter twat as well. Try again, no points to Gryffindor.

[Crockerland]

https://youtu.be/AS_gkSyOD9Y?t=9m49s

A video blogger? Really?

Yeah it was an in-depth explanation but if you'd rather I type it out than I will.
AJ+ video defending terrorist Usaama Rahim narrated by Imam Abdullah Farooq
Abdullah Farooq is a supporter of Aafia Siddiqui
Aafia Siddiqui of course being an Al-Qaeda terrorist.
Devon explained it better, though.

[Katganistan]

Conservatives have demanded that Jeremy Corbyn expel a Labour MP and aide to the shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, who appeared to endorse the forced relocation of Israelis to the US.

Naz Shah, who was elected as the Labour MP for Bradford West last year said she "deeply regretted" the hurt caused by her comments and accepted there was "no excuse" for the offence they caused.

In a Facebook post in 2014, before she became an MP, Ms Shah shared a graphic which showed an image of Israel's outline superimposed onto a map of the US under the headline "Solution for Israel-Palestine Conflict - Relocate Israel into United States", with the comment "problem solved".

The post suggested the US has "plenty of land" to accommodate Israel as a 51st state, allowing Palestinians to "get their life and their land back".

It added that Israeli people would be welcome and safe in the US while the "transportation cost" would be less than three years' worth of Washington's support for Israeli defence spending.

Ms Shah added a note suggesting the plan might "save them some pocket money".


After the post became public Ms Shah resigned as an aide to Mr McDonnell. But in a letter the Tories called on her to be expelled from the party.

"Following allegations of institutional anti-Semitism within Labour, the shadow Chancellor pledged permanent expulsion from the party for those expressing such hateful opinions," the former Downing Street aide, Oliver Dowden, wrote.

"Could you confirm that this zero tolerance approach will be applied to the shadow Chancellor's former Parliamentary Private Secretary?

"A failure to act would call into question the commitment of the Labour Party to deal with wholly unacceptable behaviour and would constitute a betrayal of the values that all those who believe in democracy should uphold."

Campaigners against anti-Semitism also continued to raise concerns, with one group saying it would be "hard" for them to take seriously an inquiry into anti-Semitism being conducted by the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee so long as she remained a member.


Jonathan Sacerdoti, director of communications at the Campaign Against Antisemitism, said: "One cannot simply apologise for 'any offence caused' and expect evidence of gross and brazen anti-Semitism to disappear.

"Once again the Labour Party has been revealed to have within its ranks people who express extreme prejudice towards Jewish people in their public statements.

"Once again the party has failed to find these statements itself, and reject those who freely and willingly express them.

"How can we believe Labour when it says it takes the problem of Jew-hatred seriously when it repeatedly defends anti-Semitic MPs? It seems that Jeremy Corbyn's anti-racism policy only operates when convenient," Mr Sacerdoti added.

Source: http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/ ... a/3008962/
Sorry for the obscure source but is the only one I could find. I find that disgusting, as a Jew I believe the state of Israel should exist. We were oppressed for thousands of years and we deserve a Jewish homeland. At the same time, we must protect the rights of Palestinians and make sure they are not wrongly targeted and persecuted by the Israeli State. We should take a two party state solution. Nation states, what do you think? Should Israeli be relocated to North America?

So let me get this straight: Great Britain made this mess with the Mandate of Palestine, so some idiots in the the current UK wants to push it onto the US by forcibly relocating Israelis here?

Fuck, no, thank you very much.

[Valaran]

So let me get this straight: Great Britain made this mess with the Mandate of Palestine, so some idiots in the the current UK wants to push it onto the US by forcibly relocating Israelis here?

Fuck, no, thank you very much.

if its any consolation, the MP in question is being pretty heavily grilled by everyone over here.

[Napkiraly]

Source: http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/ ... a/3008962/
Sorry for the obscure source but is the only one I could find. I find that disgusting, as a Jew I believe the state of Israel should exist. We were oppressed for thousands of years and we deserve a Jewish homeland. At the same time, we must protect the rights of Palestinians and make sure they are not wrongly targeted and persecuted by the Israeli State. We should take a two party state solution. Nation states, what do you think? Should Israeli be relocated to North America?

So let me get this straight: Great Britain made this mess with the Mandate of Palestine, so some idiots in the the current UK wants to push it onto the US by forcibly relocating Israelis here?

Fuck, no, thank you very much.

Tbf there are more parties causing the fuck up than the UK.

I mean let us not forget who approved of the plan and who didn't, just for starters.

[Napkiraly]

So let me get this straight: Great Britain made this mess with the Mandate of Palestine, so some idiots in the the current UK wants to push it onto the US by forcibly relocating Israelis here?

Fuck, no, thank you very much.

if its any consolation, the MP in question is being pretty heavily grilled by everyone over here.

This as well. She has been suspended from the Labour Party.

[Walgreens]

So let me get this straight: Great Britain made this mess with the Mandate of Palestine, so some idiots in the the current UK wants to push it onto the US by forcibly relocating Israelis here?

Fuck, no, thank you very much.

It was a hella dumb suggestion to make, especially considering our stance on Syrian refugees.