Washington Resistance Army wrote:Good, the Abrahamic god sucks anyways. Embrace Wodan!
Nonsense you forget the Abrahamic pantheon has many very powerful beings in it right?
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by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:30 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Good, the Abrahamic god sucks anyways. Embrace Wodan!
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:30 am
Highfort wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:the problem here is that Mr. N isn't claiming to be writing poetry or classic fiction, he's writing what he wants us to treat as facts; and when you are communicating facts (or what you believe to be facts anyways), you have a responsibility here to use language that will not be misleading
if you mislead others, then you shouldn't expect anyone to defend your imprecise use of language and you should expect plenty of criticism
I can't believe I'm taking this obtuseness seriously, but...
Nietzsche's writing is designed to have metaphors and to be poetic in nature, he's not the sort of guy who writes cut-and-dry. Not to mention that if you're so obtuse you can't get the message, Nietzsche has no interest in writing for you anyways. His audience was never meant to be that huge and that is why a lot of his books are difficult to digest.
by New Frenco Empire » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:30 am
by Dyakovo » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am
The Flame Dawn wrote::palm:
I can't tell which is more annoying.
The extremist who made the thread, or the people who use this thread to "voice" their opinion on a being they just choose to hate on.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:If we have this kind of power why would we remake the vengeful ancient Jewish patriarch of bastardy? No, I want an omnibenevolent sandwich box who floats like a butterfly and swings like your mother's beaver.
That is an incredibly inaccurate description mind you.
by Cuprum » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am
by The Wolven League » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am
by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:32 am
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:32 am
Dyakovo wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
the problem here is that Mr. N isn't claiming to be writing poetry or classic fiction, he's writing what he wants us to treat as facts; and when you are communicating facts (or what you believe to be facts anyways), you have a responsibility here to use language that will not be misleading
if you mislead others, then you shouldn't expect anyone to defend your imprecise use of language and you should expect plenty of criticism
You've no clue who Friedrich Nietzsche was, do you?
by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:33 am
by Highfort » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:33 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:so he's a terrible writer and a terrible communicator
so how do you even know what he meant anyways? Actually, do you even have quotes where he clearly said ''Oh when I said God is Dead... I ACTUALLY meant this'' or are we still involved in guesswork here? If so, then I think its only responsible to treat him as having presumptively said what he said literally (as you would do in any conversation). But I suppose certain people in the field of academic philosophy, have an interest in keeping him as relevant as possible just so they can arbitrarily ascribe meaning to incoherent writing.
Since I believe he is to be treated as having presumptively said what he said (you know, like in any normal conversation unless he's explained otherwise), my answer to the OP is clear. There is nothing to avenge. God definitionally can't be dead, its a contradiction, the premise can never be true because the setup is unconditionally flawed.
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:33 am
New Frenco Empire wrote:We killed God? Well, in that case, Sic Semper Tyrannis.
by Dyakovo » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:33 am
by Immoren » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:34 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:35 am
by Old Tyrannia » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:35 am
by Immoren » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:36 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:37 am
Highfort wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:so he's a terrible writer and a terrible communicator
so how do you even know what he meant anyways? Actually, do you even have quotes where he clearly said ''Oh when I said God is Dead... I ACTUALLY meant this'' or are we still involved in guesswork here? If so, then I think its only responsible to treat him as having presumptively said what he said literally (as you would do in any conversation). But I suppose certain people in the field of academic philosophy, have an interest in keeping him as relevant as possible just so they can arbitrarily ascribe meaning to incoherent writing.
Since I believe he is to be treated as having presumptively said what he said (you know, like in any normal conversation unless he's explained otherwise), my answer to the OP is clear. There is nothing to avenge. God definitionally can't be dead, its a contradiction, the premise can never be true because the setup is unconditionally flawed.
...
Alright, all philosophy professors, throw away your books. Forget about all the painstaking translation and investigation into Nietzsche's life and letters because obviously the only logical conclusion is to take him literally.
I'm done with you, enjoy not understanding literature whatsoever.
by Genivaria » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:40 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:New Frenco Empire wrote:We killed God? Well, in that case, Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Like I've said countless times, thats definitionally impossible.
You can't have a scenario where you have a God (who according to every single Christian deomination) is immortal who can be killed just as you can't have a painting that's not a painting.
by Dyakovo » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:40 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Dyakovo wrote:You've no clue who Friedrich Nietzsche was, do you?
That's impossible.
I have at least some clues. Both you AND the OP and through the contents of our recent conversations... have at least given me some clues (though some of those clues could be misleading, but clues nevertheless).
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:43 am
Highfort wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:so he's a terrible writer and a terrible communicator
so how do you even know what he meant anyways? Actually, do you even have quotes where he clearly said ''Oh when I said God is Dead... I ACTUALLY meant this'' or are we still involved in guesswork here? If so, then I think its only responsible to treat him as having presumptively said what he said literally (as you would do in any conversation). But I suppose certain people in the field of academic philosophy, have an interest in keeping him as relevant as possible just so they can arbitrarily ascribe meaning to incoherent writing.
Since I believe he is to be treated as having presumptively said what he said (you know, like in any normal conversation unless he's explained otherwise), my answer to the OP is clear. There is nothing to avenge. God definitionally can't be dead, its a contradiction, the premise can never be true because the setup is unconditionally flawed.
...
Alright, all philosophy professors, throw away your books. Forget about all the painstaking translation and investigation into Nietzsche's life and letters because obviously the only logical conclusion is to take him literally.
I'm done with you, enjoy not understanding literature whatsoever.
by Jacobania » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:43 am
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