Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Ifreann]

Abortion IS murder, and it's sad to see this world drift farther away from God every day. It's philosophized in the Bible though, how sin will overtake the world and one day there will be no morals left, that's when the Apocalypse will start. Now all I can do is just hope that God is merciful enough to let the ignorant go.

Just my opinion though. If you don't believe this then I respect it, it's hard with all the scientific "evidence" today, although let's face it, who says God didn't just put all that evidence there? I'm actually going to major in Biology, I love science with all my heart. It's not like I think science doesn't work, it's just I believe God's made it the way it is.

Not even Biblically is abortion murder.

[Alvecia]

Abortion IS murder, and it's sad to see this world drift farther away from God every day. It's philosophized in the Bible though, how sin will overtake the world and one day there will be no morals left, that's when the Apocalypse will start. Now all I can do is just hope that God is merciful enough to let the ignorant go.

Just my opinion though. If you don't believe this then I respect it, it's hard with all the scientific "evidence" today, although let's face it, who says God didn't just put all that evidence there? I'm actually going to major in Biology, I love science with all my heart. It's not like I think science doesn't work, it's just I believe God's made it the way it is.

I fully support your decision to go into biology. Hopefully it will teach you something about logic and scientific method, and one day you will understand how wrong you are.

[The Alma Mater]

Abortion IS murder, and it's sad to see this world drift farther away from God every day.

The Biblical position on killing an unborn child depends strongly on the translation of the Bible you use. Some claim it is merely a fineable offense (and only if the husband of the mother wants it to be) - and some claim it is murder.
So.. get a better translation ?

Btw - is it murder if I refuse to give you a bloodtransfusion, despite knowing you will die without it ?

[Alvecia]

Abortion IS murder, and it's sad to see this world drift farther away from God every day.

The Biblical position on killing an unborn child depends strongly on the translation of the Bible you use. Some claim it is merely a fineable offense (and only if the husband of the mother wants it to be) - and some claim it is murder.
So.. get a better translation ?

Btw - is it murder if I refuse to give you a bloodtransfusion, despite knowing you will die without it ?

No, because you are well within your rights to refuse access to your body, and you are not doing the killing. Nor would it be unlawful.

[The Chen Dynasty]

But a fetus is alive, it the Bible doesn't specify who you can't kill but instead you can't kill anybody. And I do know the scientific method and all, I took 4 years of science in high school. It's just that there's very simple godly explanations to all of what happens in science, such as evolution and the age of the earth, besides the secular ones. Idk if I want to get into teaching, but of course I'll teach from the book if I do become a teacher.

[Mavorpen]

But a fetus is alive, it the Bible doesn't specify who you can't kill but instead you can't kill anybody. And I do know the scientific method and all, I took 4 years of science in high school. It's just that there's very simple godly explanations to all of what happens in science, such as evolution and the age of the earth, besides the secular ones. Idk if I want to get into teaching, but of course I'll teach from the book if I do become a teacher.

They're simple because they don't actually explain anything.

[Dyakovo]

Abortion IS murder.

Wrong. It fails to meet the criteria necessary for it to qualify.

[Wallenburg]

Abortion IS murder

Please look up "murder" in a dictionary.

and it's sad to see this world drift farther away from God every day.

Not really. It's hard to drift away from something that doesn't exist.

It's philosophized in the Bible though, how sin will overtake the world and one day there will be no morals left, that's when the Apocalypse will start.

It isn't philosophized, it's prophesized. Philosophy has nothing to do with it.

Now all I can do is just hope that God is merciful enough to let the ignorant go.

If there were a God, I certainly would share that sentiment.

Just my opinion though. If you don't believe this then I respect it, it's hard with all the scientific "evidence" today, although let's face it, who says God didn't just put all that evidence there? I'm actually going to major in Biology, I love science with all my heart. It's not like I think science doesn't work, it's just I believe God's made it the way it is.

I'm glad to hear that you will learn why abortion is not murder, and that you will pursue a career you love.

[The Chen Dynasty]

But a fetus is alive, it the Bible doesn't specify who you can't kill but instead you can't kill anybody. And I do know the scientific method and all, I took 4 years of science in high school. It's just that there's very simple godly explanations to all of what happens in science, such as evolution and the age of the earth, besides the secular ones. Idk if I want to get into teaching, but of course I'll teach from the book if I do become a teacher.

They're simple because they don't actually explain anything.

More like people are too blind to see. Who said God didn't put the evidence for evolution and the age of the Earth there to deceive people? It looks great to us, how evolution happened and how the Earth formed, but who says God didn't put all the evidence there? He could of easily changed the quantity of carbon in rocks, and made the DNA of organism similar.

[Rejeistan]

What baby? There is no baby involved in an abortion.

Its Killing an baby before he or she has been born.

What about killing a sperm cell or an egg? That has the potential to become a human being just like a fetus.

[Ashmoria]

Abortion IS murder, and it's sad to see this world drift farther away from God every day. It's philosophized in the Bible though, how sin will overtake the world and one day there will be no morals left, that's when the Apocalypse will start. Now all I can do is just hope that God is merciful enough to let the ignorant go.

Just my opinion though. If you don't believe this then I respect it, it's hard with all the scientific "evidence" today, although let's face it, who says God didn't just put all that evidence there? I'm actually going to major in Biology, I love science with all my heart. It's not like I think science doesn't work, it's just I believe God's made it the way it is.

"god" kills more babies than abortion ever will. if its OK for god, its OK for people.

[The Alma Mater]

But a fetus is alive, it the Bible doesn't specify who you can't kill but instead you can't kill anybody.

I was referring to Exodus 21: 22-25. Depending on the translation you use, it either says that causing a miscarriage is merely a fineable offense and that only if you kill the mother as well it is murder - OR that the miscarriage alone is murder.

It really is a quite intruiging difference that nicely shows the bias of translators.

[Wallenburg]

More like people are too blind to see. Who said God didn't put the evidence for evolution and the age of the Earth there to deceive people? It looks great to us, how evolution happened and how the Earth formed, but who says God didn't put all the evidence there? He could of easily changed the quantity of carbon in rocks, and made the DNA of organism similar.

I'll believe that when you submit a peer-reviewed report on how and why God--supposedly omnibenevolent--decided to deceive everyone just for laughs.

[Alvecia]

They're simple because they don't actually explain anything.

More like people are too blind to see. Who said God didn't put the evidence for evolution and the age of the Earth there to deceive people? It looks great to us, how evolution happened and how the Earth formed, but who says God didn't put all the evidence there? He could of easily changed the quantity of carbon in rocks, and made the DNA of organism similar.

With no proof i have absolutely no reason to believe any of this. Try again when you have evidence.

[The Chen Dynasty]

More like people are too blind to see. Who said God didn't put the evidence for evolution and the age of the Earth there to deceive people? It looks great to us, how evolution happened and how the Earth formed, but who says God didn't put all the evidence there? He could of easily changed the quantity of carbon in rocks, and made the DNA of organism similar.

I'll believe that when you submit a peer-reviewed report on how and why God--supposedly omnibenevolent--decided to deceive everyone just for laughs.

Not for laughs, in the Bible he does many things to try to drive us away from him to see if we truly are faithful to him, a prime example being in the Book of Job. Sadly many aren't too convinced.

And for the other guy, no, humans are far below God. But of course, as you don't believe in him you don't see it that way.

[Wallenburg]

I'll believe that when you submit a peer-reviewed report on how and why God--supposedly omnibenevolent--decided to deceive everyone just for laughs.

Not for laughs, in the Bible he does many things to try to drive us away from him to see if we truly are faithful to him, a prime example being in the Book of Job. Sadly many aren't too convinced.

God may as well be the Devil in the Book of Job. If God is omniscient, he doesn't have to make people suffer so to see if they are faithful in him. He just knows. So yes, just for laughs.

[Mavorpen]

Could we stop entertaining the threadjack of the actual topic with a topic that belongs in the Christian Discussion Thread?

[Wallenburg]

Could we stop entertaining the threadjack of the actual topic with a topic that belongs in the Christian Discussion Thread?

Yeah, good point.

The reality is that abortion is not murder, at least in most of the modern world.

[Ifreann]

Could we stop entertaining the threadjack of the actual topic with a topic that belongs in the Christian Discussion Thread?

Maybe God is deceiving us into thinking it's a threadjack.

[The Chen Dynasty]

Right, anyways, how can you guys live with the thought of killing a potential human being? And also, if a couple had sex but decided for abortion, do you guys support government paid abortion or the couple to pay?

[Wallenburg]

Right, anyways, how can you guys live with the thought of killing a potential human being? And also, if a couple had sex but decided for abortion, do you guys support government paid abortion or the couple to pay?

I will sleep very well even knowing that my masturbation has destroyed the potential for millions of human beings.

I support single-payer healthcare, so I support government-paid abortion.

[Mavorpen]

Right, anyways, how can you guys live with the thought of killing a potential human being?

Same way I can masturbate without crying myself to sleep at night.

Most of the time.

And also, if a couple had sex but decided for abortion, do you guys support government paid abortion or the couple to pay?

I believe the government should pay for healthcare in the first place, so, yeah.

[The Alma Mater]

Could we stop entertaining the threadjack of the actual topic with a topic that belongs in the Christian Discussion Thread?

It doesn't. The OP of the Christian Discussion Thread explicitly mentions it belongs here.

[Alvecia]

Could we stop entertaining the threadjack of the actual topic with a topic that belongs in the Christian Discussion Thread?

It doesn't. The OP of the Christian Discussion Thread explicitly mentions it belongs here.

It would be best to create a new thread for it cause it will inevitable lead us off topic here.

[Rejeistan]

Right, anyways, how can you guys live with the thought of killing a potential human being? And also, if a couple had sex but decided for abortion, do you guys support government paid abortion or the couple to pay?

Not fulfilling the potential for a human being is NOT the same as killing a human being.

The fact is that abortions are not killing babies, they're just clumps of cells with potential. No difference from sperm or eggs, and we don't have to freak out over the potential human life wasted whenever a woman has her period and flushes away an egg.