Rape Culture, Fraternities, and Feminist Hogwash?!?

[Yaponiya]

Also, I think OP may not understand the academic meaning of "patriarchy."

It's best described as a system that subordinates femininity to masculinity. Or in simpler terms a societal structure in which men are valued over women. It doesn't have to be explicit, as it is in China (one child policy resulted in a massive imbalance in the sexes), but it's something that the vast majority of human societies share in one form or another.

Wikipedia:

"Patriarchy is a social system in which males hold primary power, predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property; in the domain of the family, fathers or father-figures hold authority over women and children. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy."

No offense to you, I just feel this paragraph describes it better.

[Unified Heartless States]

Many feminists and liberals are taking up arms against college fraternities...

Stop. Is there any real, serious movement advocating for an end to college fraternities? If so, then you should be able to link us to their websites and to news reports about their actions, so that we can learn what it is they actually argue and advocate for. If not, you can hardly expect us to have any kind of serious discussion about people you're just assuming to exist and whose positions and arguments you're making up yourself.

There was during the Rolling Stones scandal, though I'm not sure how temperament is fairing after people discovered it was a sham.

Though a quick Google search does indicate their is some weight behind wanting fraternities banned.
Not sure if I'd call it a movement as much a particular type of sentiment held in ignorance.

[Kelinfort]

Every fucking day of every fucking week, we HAVE to have a thread/post shitting on feminism.

Seriously, Nazi's aren't criticise as much.

But anyway, no I do not want to ban frats. I find some of actions despicable, but I support freedom of association.

That being said, we need to have a serious conversation about college rape culture. See how many things are wrong with this photo at an ODU fraternity:

(Image)

That's because feminists tend to do a lot of shit that deserves to get called out.

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

[Ifreann]

That's because feminists tend to do a lot of shit that deserves to get called out.

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

They scared away my pet crows.

[New Ogunquit]

Everyone wait a few years. I'll be of age to go to college and I'll do all this investigating myself.

[Kelinfort]

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

They scared away my pet crows.

Those evil bitches.

[Cannabis Islands]

That's because feminists tend to do a lot of shit that deserves to get called out.

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

Yes, now I hear that when straight frat guys get drunk and fuck other straight frat guys, that is a result of "patriarchy". I don't blame them and that is not because I'm gay, but it appears now that a drunk man can't have sex with another drunk women, even if she is the initiator, because having sex with a drunk women is "patriarchy".

[Terminus Alpha]

Also, I think OP may not understand the academic meaning of "patriarchy."

It's best described as a system that subordinates femininity to masculinity. Or in simpler terms a societal structure in which men are valued over women. It doesn't have to be explicit, as it is in China (one child policy resulted in a massive imbalance in the sexes), but it's something that the vast majority of human societies share in one form or another.

Wikipedia:

"Patriarchy is a social system in which males hold primary power, predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property; in the domain of the family, fathers or father-figures hold authority over women and children. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy."

No offense to you, I just feel this paragraph describes it better.

It does. I was just simplifying it for our OP. He mentioned it like it wasn't a thing.

[Sun Wukong]

I support eliminating fraternities on the grounds that they are tribal, adolescent, hedonistic, socially disruptive, homophobic/homoerotic, douchebag factories.

If that happens to advance the cause of Feminism and combat rape culture as well, great.

[Kelinfort]

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

Yes, now I hear that when straight frat guys get drunk and fuck other straight frat guys, that is a result of "patriarchy". I don't blame them and that is not because I'm gay, but it appears now that a drunk man can't have sex with another drunk women, even if she is the initiator, because having sex with a drunk women is "patriarchy".

That wasn't my point, I never stated that, and this has nothing to do with what I said.

The fact that each day we have to drag out the same arguments against the same topic coming to the same consensus is frustrating. Again, we don't criticise Nazi's as much. Hating Republicans and supporting Bernie Sanders rival the amount of discussions on how much people dislike feminism.

[Hirota]

I posted this on the Feminism thread - it refers to sexual assault and "rape culture" debated between two feminists.

McElroy vs. Valenti: How should colleges handle sexual assault?

This a video clip from November of last year and was filmed in Brown University before it was taken down and reuploaded this year. The subject is sexual assault and how should colleges and university campuses handle it.

While one female guest speaker spoke from personal experience and uses logic, rationality and facts, the other female guest speaker uses emotion and discredited sources in a debate, and is called Jessica Valenti. Regulars will be shocked to learn that the rad fem can't use actual reasoning and sense to have a proper debate!

It's worth noting that according to McElroy:

The following is a transcript of my debate with Jessica Valenti at Brown University on November 18, 2014 on the topic of the "Rape Culture" and campus rape hearings. Valenti's side is unavailable because she refuses to allow it to be posted in any form.

The full transcript of McElroys statement is available at that link.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Every fucking day of every fucking week, we HAVE to have a thread/post shitting on feminism.

Seriously, Nazi's aren't criticise as much.

But anyway, no I do not want to ban frats. I find some of actions despicable, but I support freedom of association.

That being said, we need to have a serious conversation about college rape culture. See how many things are wrong with this photo at an ODU fraternity:

(Image)

Maybe feminazis simply are the modern day Nazis to deserve the heat they're getting...

As for the image, don't see anything wrong with it. A bit lewd and tasteless, but hardly something not to be expected from a bunch of testosterone-laden horny young men fresh off the leash, seeking to assert their manhood in the only way they know. Which is again unsurprising, considering how commercialized sex and sexuality in the American popular culture is. People are constantly reminded of the importance of sexual attractiveness in every imaginable way, film protagonists are sexually-appealing and constantly busy with sexual conquests. Hardly a film that isn't a documentary or meant for child audiences does not contain a sex scene. Celebrities known for their lewd and lascivious conduct are looked upon as examples, tabloids being full of articles detailing their exploits, sparing no detail. Lack of sexual conquests or prowess is part of what defines a loser.

Obviously, young men who have grown up in such an environment will pay great importance to securing sexual conquests for themselves, in order to raise their self-esteem and prove their manhood to their peers. They desire to be seen as successful, and reproductive success with multiple partners is, like it or not, a crucial part of the American pop culture definition of success.

Hence, those signs don't tell me the fraternities are associations full of sworn mysogynists and latent rapists. Rather, those signs tell me that these spirited young men could put their energy to better uses and prove their manliness in more testing ways.

[Jamzmania]

Wikipedia:

"Patriarchy is a social system in which males hold primary power, predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property; in the domain of the family, fathers or father-figures hold authority over women and children. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy."

No offense to you, I just feel this paragraph describes it better.

It does. I was just simplifying it for our OP. He mentioned it like it wasn't a thing.

Feminists tend to use patriarchy like some kind of scary boogeyman that is to blame for all problems.

[Padellian]

Tag for rant later when I'm out of class. Don't want to lose this topic.

[Ifreann]

It does. I was just simplifying it for our OP. He mentioned it like it wasn't a thing.

Feminists tend to use patriarchy like some kind of scary boogeyman that is to blame for all problems.

"Feminists" is used like some kind of scary boogeyman that is to blame for all problems.

[Sun Wukong]

Every fucking day of every fucking week, we HAVE to have a thread/post shitting on feminism.

Seriously, Nazi's aren't criticise as much.

But anyway, no I do not want to ban frats. I find some of actions despicable, but I support freedom of association.

That being said, we need to have a serious conversation about college rape culture. See how many things are wrong with this photo at an ODU fraternity:

(Image)

Maybe feminazis simply are the modern day Nazis to deserve the heat they're getting...

Yeah.. I have S&M fantasies like that too, but in the real world, not so much.

[Cannabis Islands]

Every fucking day of every fucking week, we HAVE to have a thread/post shitting on feminism.

Seriously, Nazi's aren't criticise as much.

But anyway, no I do not want to ban frats. I find some of actions despicable, but I support freedom of association.

That being said, we need to have a serious conversation about college rape culture. See how many things are wrong with this photo at an ODU fraternity:

(Image)

Maybe feminazis simply are the modern day Nazis to deserve the heat they're getting...

As for the image, don't see anything wrong with it. A bit lewd and tasteless, but hardly something not to be expected from a bunch of testosterone-laden horny young men fresh off the leash, seeking to assert their manhood in the only way they know. Which is again unsurprising, considering how commercialized sex and sexuality in the American popular culture is. People are constantly reminded of the importance of sexual attractiveness in every imaginable way, film protagonists are sexually-appealing and constantly busy with sexual conquests. Hardly a film that isn't a documentary or meant for child audiences does not contain a sex scene. Celebrities known for their lewd and lascivious conduct are looked upon as examples, tabloids being full of articles detailing their exploits, sparing no detail. Lack of sexual conquests or prowess is part of what defines a loser.

Obviously, young men who have grown up in such an environment will pay great importance to securing sexual conquests for themselves, in order to raise their self-esteem and prove their manhood to their peers. They desire to be seen as successful, and reproductive success with multiple partners is, like it or not, a crucial part of the American pop culture definition of success.

Hence, those signs don't tell me the fraternities are associations full of sworn mysogynists and latent rapists. Rather, those signs tell me that these spirited young men could put their energy to better uses and prove their manliness in more testing ways.

Do you have any examples of G or PG rated films that have sex scenes?

[Cannabis Islands]

Feminists tend to use patriarchy like some kind of scary boogeyman that is to blame for all problems.

"Feminists" is used like some kind of scary boogeyman that is to blame for all problems.

Well, they are the main proponents of censorship, besides social conservatives. Such things as "micro-aggressions" and "trigger warnings" are coming from feminists.

[Kelinfort]

"Feminists" is used like some kind of scary boogeyman that is to blame for all problems.

Well, they are the main proponents of censorship, besides social conservatives. Such things as "micro-aggressions" and "trigger warnings" are coming from feminists.

I don't see a problem, I mean I can still say what I like. I do see universities going too far, but unless they actually get support for hate speech laws and censorship in states and at the Federal level, it's more of a disclaimer than anything. And we use those all the time.

[Yaponiya]

That's because feminists tend to do a lot of shit that deserves to get called out.

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

Don't you mean strawman? And, no, they do a ton a shit that deserves to be called out. Such as:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... ca-valenti
Anita Sarkeesian saying that the trolls trolling her is abuse instead of...well...trolling that anyone with a large following gets. People from The Amazing Atheist(https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist) to The Anime Man(https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAn1meMan) get death threats. The only reason Anita seems to get surplus is she talks about being trolled. Even then, they should be taken with a grain of salt, mainly because there is a difference from someone declaring (with a weapon in their hand) near you they will murder you, and someone being a childish idiot and sending a death threat they will never act upon from an account that is trackable by the government. Then there's the supposed bomb threat when she was going to speak at some kind of convention (Where the POLICE said it wasn't a danger to Anita, including the fact there were strange references to the 1986 Quebec shooting that only a feminist would remember, then the fact that after she cancelled the speech her patreon patron count went up dramaically). I'm sorry, I eventually ranted. Sorry...

[Dyrrachium]

Banning fraternities, as stupid as they are, isn't going to make rape culture disappear.

well it is difficult to make what isn't there go away.

[New Rob Halfordia]

I feel like every time one of these threads are made, it's simply to fuel a fire and intentionally rile up the feminists. And it succeeds.

[Ifreann]

Yes, the straw feminists do a lot of shit.

Don't you mean strawman? And, no, they do a ton a shit that deserves to be called out. Such as:

Isn't there a feminism thread for complaining about feminists? And a gamergate thread for complaining about Anita Sarkeesian?

[Yaponiya]

I feel like every time one of these threads are made, it's simply to fuel a fire and intentionally rile up the feminists. And it succeeds.

Probably true.

[Cannabis Islands]

Well, they are the main proponents of censorship, besides social conservatives. Such things as "micro-aggressions" and "trigger warnings" are coming from feminists.

I don't see a problem, I mean I can still say what I like. I do see universities going too far, but unless they actually get support for hate speech laws and censorship in states and at the Federal level, it's more of a disclaimer than anything. And we use those all the time.

I strongly disagree. This is nothing more than coddling and doing this for emotional well being. College is a place read and to look at challenging material. This includes some material that the new new left does not like. College is not a place for someone's fucking feelings to be treated like a kitten.
The Atlantic has really a great article about this.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... nd/399356/