White Pride: A good thing?

[Fanosolia]

Neither. I just don't see why white pride needs to be a thing. Mind you I don't think there's anything prideful or shameful about being in a certain you had no choice in the matter, but the difference is you can at least say that historically the one's that have these pride parades faced, and in some cases still face, discrimination and hate for the smallest of reasons.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Indeed.

Well, sort of. Institutionalized, as opposed to societal, discrimination ended after the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. Granted, blacks still do face discrimination today, but if a black man is called a "nigger" by a random KKK asshole, the natural reaction shouldn't be "BLACK POWER."

Why not?

Let's reverse the tables, then.

If you, an Irishman, were called a "dirty cracker" by some random black man, would your natural reaction be "WHITE POWER?"

[Aidannadia]

This is something that sounds great on the surface but doesn't upon actually looking at definitions and word usage:

pride
prīd/Submit
noun
1.
a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

Innate traits are not something to be proud of. They are not achievements or traits/possessions that should be widely admired. They're just... innate traits. That's it.

You can be proud that you are COMFORTABLE with your race I suppose or that you somehow overcame some obstacle that was caused by your race but just being proud because you ARE a race is... wrong by definition.

[Blakk Metal]

Race is too broad and large a category to identify with. If you're proud of your race, you're pathetic.

[Kelinfort]

This is something that sounds great on the surface but doesn't upon actually looking at definitions and word usage:

pride
prīd/Submit
noun
1.
a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

Innate traits are not something to be proud of. They are not achievements or traits/possessions that should be widely admired. They're just... innate traits. That's it.

You can be proud that you are COMFORTABLE with your race I suppose or that you somehow overcame some obstacle that was caused by your race but just being proud because you ARE a race is... wrong by definition.

While I agree, I should point out a lot of people are proud of attributes they have.

[Aidannadia]

This is something that sounds great on the surface but doesn't upon actually looking at definitions and word usage:

pride
prīd/Submit
noun
1.
a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.

Innate traits are not something to be proud of. They are not achievements or traits/possessions that should be widely admired. They're just... innate traits. That's it.

You can be proud that you are COMFORTABLE with your race I suppose or that you somehow overcame some obstacle that was caused by your race but just being proud because you ARE a race is... wrong by definition.

While I agree, I should point out a lot of people are proud of attributes they have.

Attributes=/=Innate traits essentially. Such as someone may be proud that they are... considered intelligent or widely accepted as attractive. Those are traits that someone is really born with but rather achievements or widely admired traits.

[Fanosolia]

White pride makes as little sense as black pride.

But at least black pride can root itself in systemic discrimination.

Indeed.

Well, sort of. Institutionalized, as opposed to societal, discrimination ended after the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. Granted, blacks still do face discrimination today, but if a black man is called a "nigger" by a random KKK asshole, the natural reaction shouldn't be "BLACK POWER."

When you say that do you mean discrimination rules and laws that say a store or a governmental service must a bid by, as opposed to say the biases of an individual person?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Indeed.

Well, sort of. Institutionalized, as opposed to societal, discrimination ended after the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. Granted, blacks still do face discrimination today, but if a black man is called a "nigger" by a random KKK asshole, the natural reaction shouldn't be "BLACK POWER."

When you say that do you mean discrimination rules and laws that say a store or a governmental service must a bid by, as opposed say the biases of a person?

Sort of. Institutionalized racism refers to government sanctioned racism, such as segregation, or not allowing blacks to vote, etc. Societal discrimination refers to some inbred man from West Virginia putting a sign on his truck that says "fuck dem negroes."

[Ifreann]

Why not?

Let's reverse the tables, then.

No, let's not, because what I would do in the reverse situation you went on to describe does not answer my question to you.

[Bari]

When you say that do you mean discrimination rules and laws that say a store or a governmental service must a bid by, as opposed say the biases of a person?

Sort of. Institutionalized racism refers to government sanctioned racism, such as segregation, or not allowing blacks to vote, etc. Societal discrimination refers to some inbred man from West Virginia putting a sign on his truck that says "fuck dem negroes."

Have you ever encountered an inbred man from West Virginia with such a sign on his truck?

[MERIZoC]

When you say that do you mean discrimination rules and laws that say a store or a governmental service must a bid by, as opposed say the biases of a person?

Sort of. Institutionalized racism refers to government sanctioned racism, such as segregation, or not allowing blacks to vote, etc. Societal discrimination refers to some inbred man from West Virginia putting a sign on his truck that says "fuck dem negroes."

No. Institutionalized racism does not require explicit legislation. Racial profiling, unequal opportunity, and unequal drug laws all contribute to the current system of institutionalized racism.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Let's reverse the tables, then.

No, let's not, because what I would do in the reverse situation you went on to describe does not answer my question to you.

You're joking. You have to be joking. Let's address this beautiful double standard of yours, shall we, because you basically just condoned black power.

When I say "if a man calls a black man something insulting, then the natural reaction shouldn't be black power" you responded with "why not?"

When I said "if a black man calls a white man something insulting, then the natural reaction shouldn't be white power" you responded with a cop out response.

What the hell? Be honest, do you condone black pride/black power? With that logic, do you condone white pride/white power?

[New Skaaneland]

I wouldn't have picked one of those two options.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Sort of. Institutionalized racism refers to government sanctioned racism, such as segregation, or not allowing blacks to vote, etc. Societal discrimination refers to some inbred man from West Virginia putting a sign on his truck that says "fuck dem negroes."

Have you ever encountered an inbred man from West Virginia with such a sign on his truck?

I saw a sign in Missouri that read "fuck niggers." It's the same thing I suppose, I was providing a hypothetical.

[New Waterford]

I don't think pride in anything is a good thing, especially if it's for something you have no control over such as your skin colour.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Sort of. Institutionalized racism refers to government sanctioned racism, such as segregation, or not allowing blacks to vote, etc. Societal discrimination refers to some inbred man from West Virginia putting a sign on his truck that says "fuck dem negroes."

No. Institutionalized racism does not require explicit legislation. Racial profiling, unequal opportunity, and unequal drug laws all contribute to the current system of institutionalized racism.

Unequal opportunity? Blacks are given affirmative action and equal economic rights. They have the opportunity, and they're moving up.

[Fanosolia]

When you say that do you mean discrimination rules and laws that say a store or a governmental service must a bid by, as opposed say the biases of a person?

Sort of. Institutionalized racism refers to government sanctioned racism, such as segregation, or not allowing blacks to vote, etc. Societal discrimination refers to some inbred man from West Virginia putting a sign on his truck that says "fuck dem negroes."

I don't know if institutional racism (or other types discrimination) is necessarily ended though. Don't get me wrong governments have made progress in what you said. Though I do sometimes wonder if the biases of societal racism influence the decisions of say a police officer or a judge.

[Ifreann]

No, let's not, because what I would do in the reverse situation you went on to describe does not answer my question to you.

You're joking. You have to be joking.

Not right now, but did you ever hear the one about the man who walked into a bar with a giraffe?

Let's address this beautiful double standard of yours, shall we, because you basically just condoned black power.

I would need to have a double standard for us to address any such thing. How about instead you answer my question instead of asking what I'd do in different situations than the one you describe.

[Aidannadia]

Have you ever encountered an inbred man from West Virginia with such a sign on his truck?

I saw a sign in Missouri that read "fuck niggers." It's the same thing I suppose, I was providing a hypothetical.

I can confirm that this sign exists. I've seen some as well actually. I go to Missouri a lot to visit family.

[Bezombia]

Not right now, but did you ever hear the one about the man who walked into a bar with a giraffe?

Ooh ooh, I know this one!
He goes up to the bar and says, "Ain't this a quack!"


Wait shit that was a different joke.

[MERIZoC]

No, let's not, because what I would do in the reverse situation you went on to describe does not answer my question to you.

You're joking. You have to be joking. Let's address this beautiful double standard of yours, shall we, because you basically just condoned black power.

When I say "if a man calls a black man something insulting, then the natural reaction shouldn't be black power" you responded with "why not?"

When I said "if a black man calls a white man something insulting, then the natural reaction shouldn't be white power" you responded with a cop out response.

What the hell? Be honest, do you condone black pride/black power? With that logic, do you condone white pride/white power?

One has roots in the backlash against widespread abuse and discrimination. The other has roots in the facilitation of widespread abuse and discrimination. Reflect on that for a second.

Black pride isn't about being proud of having dark skin. It's about being proud to identify with those who face(d) that aforementioned abuse. It's about taking pride in standing up to protect a cultural heritage under attack. White pride is about how all the darkies should be picking our cotton.

[Bari]

You're joking. You have to be joking.

Not right now, but did you ever hear the one about the man who walked into a bar with a giraffe?

Let's address this beautiful double standard of yours, shall we, because you basically just condoned black power.

I would need to have a double standard for us to address any such thing. How about instead you answer my question instead of asking what I'd do in different situations than the one you describe.

He's saying the reason a black man shouldn't respond with "Black power!" after being insulted racially is the same reasons a white man shouldn't respond with "White power!" after being insulted racially. So, if you think it is inappropriate for a white man to yell "White power!" after being insulted racially by a minority, then apply that reasoning to the example of a black man yelling "Black power!" after being insulted racially by a white man. This really is not that hard to understand.

If you think it is appropriate in both cases or in neither cases, then you don't have a double standard.
If you think it is appropriate in one case but not the other, you likely have a double standard.

[Aidannadia]

Black pride isn't about being proud of having dark skin. It's about being proud to identify with those who face(d) that aforementioned abuse. It's about taking pride in standing up to protect a cultural heritage under attack.

I agree however I can't condone the linguistics involved with the term. It's too simple and misleading from simply saying the words Black pride. I suppose that's hardly relevant though.

[MERIZoC]

No. Institutionalized racism does not require explicit legislation. Racial profiling, unequal opportunity, and unequal drug laws all contribute to the current system of institutionalized racism.

Unequal opportunity? Blacks are given affirmative action and equal economic rights. They have the opportunity, and they're moving up.

Ah yes. The Fox News approach. I should have expected this.

Well Bill, for starters, people in poverty find it very hard to move out of it, in part because of the nature of capitalism, in part because of the specific system we have today. Now, many black people are in poverty right now because of the system that we had a few decades back, called Jim Crow. That enforced discriminatory economic policies against black people, and since then, they've never been able to recover.

[Washington Resistance Army]

One has roots in the backlash against widespread abuse and discrimination. The other has roots in the facilitation of widespread abuse and discrimination. Reflect on that for a second.

Black pride isn't about being proud of having dark skin. It's about being proud to identify with those who face(d) that aforementioned abuse. It's about taking pride in standing up to protect a cultural heritage under attack. White pride is about how all the darkies should be picking our cotton.

You act as if there are only one group of people in each category. Plenty of people who believe in black pride are proud to have black skin and plenty of people who believe in white pride are proud to have white skin.