2015 UK Politics Megathread

[Illyiah]

We'll likely end up with a hung Parliament and nothing will change for 5 years

[Steamtopia]

So you support direct democracy in the face of an increasingly complicated world because.. what? It feels nice? Mob rule is too cool for school?

Direct democracy is beneficial as it ensures the politicians are accountable to the people they're claiming to represent, and the people have no whip system so they're obligated to vote a certain way.

Politicians are accountable, that's what elections are for. Letting people vote directly on policy is not making politicians accountable. It's letting the majority rule over the minority no matter how smart of a decision they make. I want a smart government that benefits everyone even if they're unpopular, not the entire country voting on what to do every other day.

[Steamtopia]

We'll likely end up with a hung Parliament and nothing will change for 5 years

A hung Parliament isn't likely, it's guaranteed.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

We'll likely end up with a hung Parliament and nothing will change for 5 years

I suppose it's better than more anti-terror laws.

[Arglorand]

The magical and most important number in this election is 59.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Direct democracy is beneficial as it ensures the politicians are accountable to the people they're claiming to represent, and the people have no whip system so they're obligated to vote a certain way.

Politicians are accountable, that's what elections are for. Letting people vote directly on policy is not making politicians accountable. It's letting the majority rule over the minority no matter how smart of a decision they make. I want a smart government that benefits everyone even if they're unpopular, not the entire country voting on what to do every other day.

So you'd prefer the SNP supporting a government then? They shouldn't even be allowed to vote on English laws.

[Illyiah]

We'll likely end up with a hung Parliament and nothing will change for 5 years

I suppose it's better than more anti-terror laws.

But it also means our benefits system will remain grossly over-funded

[Steamtopia]

The magical and most important number in this election is 59.

I wouldn't bet on 59 exactly.

[Steamtopia]

Politicians are accountable, that's what elections are for. Letting people vote directly on policy is not making politicians accountable. It's letting the majority rule over the minority no matter how smart of a decision they make. I want a smart government that benefits everyone even if they're unpopular, not the entire country voting on what to do every other day.

So you'd prefer the SNP supporting a government then? They shouldn't even be allowed to vote on English laws.

Where'd you pull SNP out of that post?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I suppose it's better than more anti-terror laws.

But it also means our benefits system will remain grossly over-funded

Better than a labour government that can over-tax the rich.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So you'd prefer the SNP supporting a government then? They shouldn't even be allowed to vote on English laws.

Where'd you pull SNP out of that post?

You're arguing for the 'sensible' government making decisions. The government won't be sensible.

[Illyiah]

But it also means our benefits system will remain grossly over-funded

Better than a labour government that can over-tax the rich.

Indeed

[Steamtopia]

Where'd you pull SNP out of that post?

You're arguing for the 'sensible' government making decisions. The government won't be sensible.

I'm not arguing for any specific government. I'm arguing for government as a concept. MP's actually have the time and resources to research before deciding on policy. People do not.

[Purger]

Will there be an EU referendum if the Torries win?

The Tories won't win, so it's not even a question worth asking.

Polls shows something else. They will be tied with the Labours and even most polls are usually biased in favour of left-wing parties across Europe.

But let say C. somehow manages to form a coalition government there must than be a referendum as he promised so.

[Steamtopia]

The Tories won't win, so it's not even a question worth asking.

Polls shows something else. They will be tied with the Labours and even most polls are usually biased in favour of left-wing parties across Europe.

But let say C. somehow manages to form a coalition government there must than be a referendum as he promised so.

Polls aren't biased in favour of left-wing parties (not that Labour is left-wing anymore anyway). Tories being tied means they have nobody to coalition with. Who will join them in government, exactly? The SNP? Get real.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You're arguing for the 'sensible' government making decisions. The government won't be sensible.

I'm not arguing for any specific government. I'm arguing for government as a concept. MP's actually have the time and resources to research before deciding on policy. People do not.

They don't need to consider it very well, because they are a very large group of people. The very large group of people are far more qualified than 650 people usually from very similar backgrounds.

[Steamtopia]

I'm not arguing for any specific government. I'm arguing for government as a concept. MP's actually have the time and resources to research before deciding on policy. People do not.

They don't need to consider it very well, because they are a very large group of people. The very large group of people are far more qualified than 650 people usually from very similar backgrounds.

What? Since when do large groups automatically make good decisions? What kind of nonsense is this?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Polls shows something else. They will be tied with the Labours and even most polls are usually biased in favour of left-wing parties across Europe.

But let say C. somehow manages to form a coalition government there must than be a referendum as he promised so.

Polls aren't biased in favour of left-wing parties (not that Labour is left-wing anymore anyway). Tories being tied means they have nobody to coalition with. Who will join them in government, exactly? The SNP? Get real.

Hopefully both Labour and the Tories won't work with the SNP, and we'll have another election this year.

[Steamtopia]

Polls aren't biased in favour of left-wing parties (not that Labour is left-wing anymore anyway). Tories being tied means they have nobody to coalition with. Who will join them in government, exactly? The SNP? Get real.

Hopefully both Labour and the Tories won't work with the SNP, and we'll have another election this year.

Labour can still form a coalition without the SNP. Now, if the Lib Dems and the SNP refuse to sign any deal with Labour, that's when we'll see another election.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

They don't need to consider it very well, because they are a very large group of people. The very large group of people are far more qualified than 650 people usually from very similar backgrounds.

What? Since when do large groups automatically make good decisions? What kind of nonsense is this?

It's why we have elections in the first place, so the people can choose a candidate. Instead, the people should choose a large amount of the laws.

[Steamtopia]

What? Since when do large groups automatically make good decisions? What kind of nonsense is this?

It's why we have elections in the first place, so the people can choose a candidate. Instead, the people should choose a large amount of the laws.

We have elections because there's no other method of transferring power peacefully. Policy-making is not power transferal.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hopefully both Labour and the Tories won't work with the SNP, and we'll have another election this year.

Labour can still form a coalition without the SNP. Now, if the Lib Dems and the SNP refuse to sign any deal with Labour, that's when we'll see another election.

The Lib Dems will probably form a coalition with anyone, if Clegg is in charge, especially with the large amount of leftwing lib dems that left.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's why we have elections in the first place, so the people can choose a candidate. Instead, the people should choose a large amount of the laws.

We have elections because there's no other method of transferring power peacefully. Policy-making is not power transferal.

The power wouldn't need to be transferred, because it'd be in the hands of the people who are directly affected by it.

[Steamtopia]

Labour can still form a coalition without the SNP. Now, if the Lib Dems and the SNP refuse to sign any deal with Labour, that's when we'll see another election.

The Lib Dems will probably form a coalition with anyone, if Clegg is in charge, especially with the large amount of leftwing lib dems that left.

Which is why I listed LibLab w/ an SNP deal as the most likely.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The Lib Dems will probably form a coalition with anyone, if Clegg is in charge, especially with the large amount of leftwing lib dems that left.

Which is why I listed LibLab w/ an SNP deal as the most likely.

But I can see the SNP kicking up a fuss if labour don't do exactly what they want.