U.S. 2016 Presidential Elections - Democrats' Discussion

[Romalae]

I don't doubt it. The Republicans have already begun their torrent of defamation and demonization. I'm not particularly fond of Hillary, but it's clear that they're gonna try to make a big stink about everything they can in her past. Her "baggage", as Marco Rubio (I think it was) said recently.

Notice also how they've given interviews in the recent past where they use the phrase "the Obama-Clinton foreign policy." They're so transparently trying to tie her down to Obama, who their base already viciously hates. Their strategists and consultants must be telling them that if you link her permanently to Obama, then people will be conditioned to have negativity associated with her.

Obama's foreign policy will mainly be remembered as ending the War in Iraq and killing Bin Laden, that can only be a boost for Hillary.

To the right-wing base, any mention of Obama at all is immediately associated negatively. They shut off their thinking caps at any mention of him, certainly ones in a positive context.

[Ashmoria]

He's been negotiating the TPP in secret for years, I'm pretty sure he can choose not to do that.

No, he hasn't. Its no secret that we've been negotiating.
Also, there's nothing inherently bad about international trade agreements.

and if trade agreements are your anti-thing the republicans are not going to be your friends.

[Spoder]

Obama's foreign policy will mainly be remembered as ending the War in Iraq and killing Bin Laden, that can only be a boost for Hillary.

To the right-wing base, any mention of Obama at all is immediately associated negatively. They shut off their thinking caps at any mention of him, certainly ones in a positive context.

Not all, but many.

He'll be remembered as:
- The guy who wasn't born in America
- The guy who created tensions with Israel
- The guy who didn't kill Assad
- The guy who didn't respond to Putin with military action
- That guy, named Obama (he sucks)

Among other things that he'll be associated with forever.

[Ashmoria]

yeah
its one of the reasons I went with Obama in '08. now we know that it doesn't matter who the democrat is, they will make shit up constantly so being a Clinton has no real downside.

Clinton has a huge downside. Like raising taxes, furthering a welfare state, taking guns from the people and introducing new laws. Vote Libertarian people.
Gary Johnson
Ron Paul
Rand Paul

Is it so hard to think. Vote for th3se guys, not Obama or Clinton.

you cant vote for rand paul in the democratic primary.

[Morr]

Obama's foreign policy will mainly be remembered as ending the War in Iraq and killing Bin Laden, that can only be a boost for Hillary.

To the right-wing base, any mention of Obama at all is immediately associated negatively. They shut off their thinking caps at any mention of him, certainly ones in a positive context.

The right-wing base is irrelevant, and they would never vote for Hillary regardless of what campaigns against her say. The concern in most elections is the swing voters, who are the sizable plurality.

[Morr]

No, he hasn't. Its no secret that we've been negotiating.
Also, there's nothing inherently bad about international trade agreements.

and if trade agreements are your anti-thing the republicans are not going to be your friends.

Ron Paul actually opposes them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLRuMHAK_w

But of course, Rand Paul doesn't
http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/rand-pau ... rade-deal/

Besides that, though, if Hillary wins the primary, I won't vote. I'm not going to play good cop/bad cop with the ruling class. Clinton does not represent my interests, or the interests of the vast majority of the country, she represents the interests of the very wealthy, she represents maximizing their profits above all else, at the cost of our livelihood and dignity.

[Dyakovo]

Hillary because that would make Bill the first...Lord? Sir? Maybe just call him Lady. I dunno.

He'd be the first First Gentleman.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Except there is no deal. And with the Shah running around tweeting how they're vanquishing America, on wonders if we should pursue one at all

you don't think that we'll have an agreement?

Given that all treaties must be ratified by Congress? Not likely.

[Goodclark]

I like Jim Webb, Although I highly doubt he will get the nomination.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Unless Hillary fires her campaign manager, she won't get elected. So far it's been nothing but blunder after blunder after scandal after blunder.

who is her campaign manager?

what blunders?

I don't know who,

but "we were broke when we left the White House". The photo op with "everyday folks" that all turned out to be Democratic staffers and activists, Chelsea Clintons "symbolic" quote, and dealings with Saudi Arabia. Not to mention Hillaries attempts to paint herself as just a normal gal, that falls utterly flat, and lack of substantiality in Foreign Policy when it was her Job, republicans don't need to make stuff up. She keeps giving up gold

[Kelinfort]

Preferably, Chafee, but I'll go Hillary.

I thought you were center-right.

You don't understand american politics.

Forced to choose between the Democrats and Republicans, I go with Democrats. They don't condemn me and don't act insane (with the exception of the progressive caucus.)

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I thought you were center-right.

You don't understand american politics.

Forced to choose between the Democrats and Republicans, I go with Democrats. They don't condemn me and don't act insane (with the exception of the progressive caucus.)

And for me it's the opposite. I would gladly vote for a qualified Democrat, problem is the baggage known as the Democratic Party.

[Greater North American Confederacy]

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He went on to attend Yale University and then earned his medical degree at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Carson was a professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics, and the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He made national headlines in 1987 when he led a 70-member surgical team and successfully separated conjoined twins.

He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush in 2008.

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[Ashmoria]

http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/Ben-Carson-president-2016-GOP/2014/06/30/id/580042/

Ben Carson!! or perhaps the ghost of Ike.( Just Joking)
Dr. Ben Carson – Could He Be Our President in 2016?

Revered for his honesty, integrity, and frankness, Dr. Ben Carson has sparked an independent movement to draft him as the Republican nominee in 2016.

From the very beginning, Dr. Carson has said he will run for president only if he feels that God is calling him to do it.

Should Ben Carson Run in 2016? Vote Now – Click Here

Dr. Carson rose to political prominence last year after speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast.

In that address, Dr. Carson spoke of his disdain for political correctness and his anxiety about the moral decay in America, and confronted the issue of debt and our fiscal policy — then he took on Obamacare.

As President Obama watched from just a few feet away, Dr. Carson revealed his plan for health insurance for all. In less than two minutes he outlined his common-sense approach to health savings accounts — providing health coverage for all Americans without government intervention.

The media has been buzzing ever since.

Commentators from Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity praised the speech as “speaking truth to power.”

A Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “Ben Carson for President” said that Dr. Carson “may not be politically correct, but he’s closer to correct than we’ve heard in years.”

The former Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon has become an in-demand commentator. His latest book, “One Nation,” has become an instant No. 1 New York Times best-seller


Do You Think Ben Carson Should Run in 2016? Vote in Newsmax’s Urgent Poll – Click Here Now

Dr. Ben Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan. His parents divorced when he was 8 years old. He says he struggled in school for many years, but that changed when he discovered a love for reading.

He went on to attend Yale University and then earned his medical degree at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Carson was a professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics, and the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He made national headlines in 1987 when he led a 70-member surgical team and successfully separated conjoined twins.

He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush in 2008.

Politically, Dr. Carson says he’s an independent.

He also says, he “doesn’t care” who supports him as long as he has the support of God.

But, as Dr. Carson continues to speak about personal responsibility, the value of education, and the dangers posed by political correctness to freedom of expression, he is picking up support across the country from American voters who have grown frustrated with the current direction of this nation.

Dr. Carson warns of the political correct “police” and “media bullies” who are drowning out conservative views from the public square.

He says secularism is rising and Christians are suffering persecution.

His mission is to restore America to the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

Newsmax, one of America’s most influential online news media outlets, is conducting an urgent online poll asking Americans about Dr. Ben Carson and other leading GOP candidates like Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee and Jeb Bush. You can vote in this poll by Clicking Here Now.

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ben carson wont be running in the democratic primaries.

[Morr]

http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/Ben-Carson-president-2016-GOP/2014/06/30/id/580042/

Ben Carson!! or perhaps the ghost of Ike.( Just Joking)
Dr. Ben Carson – Could He Be Our President in 2016?

Revered for his honesty, integrity, and frankness, Dr. Ben Carson has sparked an independent movement to draft him as the Republican nominee in 2016.

From the very beginning, Dr. Carson has said he will run for president only if he feels that God is calling him to do it.

Should Ben Carson Run in 2016? Vote Now – Click Here

Dr. Carson rose to political prominence last year after speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast.

In that address, Dr. Carson spoke of his disdain for political correctness and his anxiety about the moral decay in America, and confronted the issue of debt and our fiscal policy — then he took on Obamacare.

As President Obama watched from just a few feet away, Dr. Carson revealed his plan for health insurance for all. In less than two minutes he outlined his common-sense approach to health savings accounts — providing health coverage for all Americans without government intervention.

The media has been buzzing ever since.

Commentators from Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity praised the speech as “speaking truth to power.”

A Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “Ben Carson for President” said that Dr. Carson “may not be politically correct, but he’s closer to correct than we’ve heard in years.”

The former Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon has become an in-demand commentator. His latest book, “One Nation,” has become an instant No. 1 New York Times best-seller


Do You Think Ben Carson Should Run in 2016? Vote in Newsmax’s Urgent Poll – Click Here Now

Dr. Ben Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan. His parents divorced when he was 8 years old. He says he struggled in school for many years, but that changed when he discovered a love for reading.

He went on to attend Yale University and then earned his medical degree at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Carson was a professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics, and the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He made national headlines in 1987 when he led a 70-member surgical team and successfully separated conjoined twins.

He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush in 2008.

Politically, Dr. Carson says he’s an independent.

He also says, he “doesn’t care” who supports him as long as he has the support of God.

But, as Dr. Carson continues to speak about personal responsibility, the value of education, and the dangers posed by political correctness to freedom of expression, he is picking up support across the country from American voters who have grown frustrated with the current direction of this nation.

Dr. Carson warns of the political correct “police” and “media bullies” who are drowning out conservative views from the public square.

He says secularism is rising and Christians are suffering persecution.

His mission is to restore America to the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

Newsmax, one of America’s most influential online news media outlets, is conducting an urgent online poll asking Americans about Dr. Ben Carson and other leading GOP candidates like Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee and Jeb Bush. You can vote in this poll by Clicking Here Now.

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He's a creationist and a baptist.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/Ben-Carson-president-2016-GOP/2014/06/30/id/580042/

Ben Carson!! or perhaps the ghost of Ike.( Just Joking)
Dr. Ben Carson – Could He Be Our President in 2016?

Revered for his honesty, integrity, and frankness, Dr. Ben Carson has sparked an independent movement to draft him as the Republican nominee in 2016.

From the very beginning, Dr. Carson has said he will run for president only if he feels that God is calling him to do it.

Should Ben Carson Run in 2016? Vote Now – Click Here

Dr. Carson rose to political prominence last year after speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast.

In that address, Dr. Carson spoke of his disdain for political correctness and his anxiety about the moral decay in America, and confronted the issue of debt and our fiscal policy — then he took on Obamacare.

As President Obama watched from just a few feet away, Dr. Carson revealed his plan for health insurance for all. In less than two minutes he outlined his common-sense approach to health savings accounts — providing health coverage for all Americans without government intervention.

The media has been buzzing ever since.

Commentators from Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity praised the speech as “speaking truth to power.”

A Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “Ben Carson for President” said that Dr. Carson “may not be politically correct, but he’s closer to correct than we’ve heard in years.”

The former Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon has become an in-demand commentator. His latest book, “One Nation,” has become an instant No. 1 New York Times best-seller


Do You Think Ben Carson Should Run in 2016? Vote in Newsmax’s Urgent Poll – Click Here Now

Dr. Ben Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan. His parents divorced when he was 8 years old. He says he struggled in school for many years, but that changed when he discovered a love for reading.

He went on to attend Yale University and then earned his medical degree at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Carson was a professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics, and the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He made national headlines in 1987 when he led a 70-member surgical team and successfully separated conjoined twins.

He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush in 2008.

Politically, Dr. Carson says he’s an independent.

He also says, he “doesn’t care” who supports him as long as he has the support of God.

But, as Dr. Carson continues to speak about personal responsibility, the value of education, and the dangers posed by political correctness to freedom of expression, he is picking up support across the country from American voters who have grown frustrated with the current direction of this nation.

Dr. Carson warns of the political correct “police” and “media bullies” who are drowning out conservative views from the public square.

He says secularism is rising and Christians are suffering persecution.

His mission is to restore America to the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

Newsmax, one of America’s most influential online news media outlets, is conducting an urgent online poll asking Americans about Dr. Ben Carson and other leading GOP candidates like Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee and Jeb Bush. You can vote in this poll by Clicking Here Now.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/Ben-Cars ... z3YWFNvJdA
Urgent: Rate Obama on His Job Performance. Vote Here Now!

Ben Carson, would be as bad Jimmy Carter.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/Ben-Carson-president-2016-GOP/2014/06/30/id/580042/

Ben Carson!! or perhaps the ghost of Ike.( Just Joking)
Dr. Ben Carson – Could He Be Our President in 2016?

Revered for his honesty, integrity, and frankness, Dr. Ben Carson has sparked an independent movement to draft him as the Republican nominee in 2016.

From the very beginning, Dr. Carson has said he will run for president only if he feels that God is calling him to do it.

Should Ben Carson Run in 2016? Vote Now – Click Here

Dr. Carson rose to political prominence last year after speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast.

In that address, Dr. Carson spoke of his disdain for political correctness and his anxiety about the moral decay in America, and confronted the issue of debt and our fiscal policy — then he took on Obamacare.

As President Obama watched from just a few feet away, Dr. Carson revealed his plan for health insurance for all. In less than two minutes he outlined his common-sense approach to health savings accounts — providing health coverage for all Americans without government intervention.

The media has been buzzing ever since.

Commentators from Rush Limbaugh to Sean Hannity praised the speech as “speaking truth to power.”

A Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “Ben Carson for President” said that Dr. Carson “may not be politically correct, but he’s closer to correct than we’ve heard in years.”

The former Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon has become an in-demand commentator. His latest book, “One Nation,” has become an instant No. 1 New York Times best-seller


Do You Think Ben Carson Should Run in 2016? Vote in Newsmax’s Urgent Poll – Click Here Now

Dr. Ben Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan. His parents divorced when he was 8 years old. He says he struggled in school for many years, but that changed when he discovered a love for reading.

He went on to attend Yale University and then earned his medical degree at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Carson was a professor of neurosurgery, oncology, plastic surgery, and pediatrics, and the director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital. He made national headlines in 1987 when he led a 70-member surgical team and successfully separated conjoined twins.

He was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush in 2008.

Politically, Dr. Carson says he’s an independent.

He also says, he “doesn’t care” who supports him as long as he has the support of God.

But, as Dr. Carson continues to speak about personal responsibility, the value of education, and the dangers posed by political correctness to freedom of expression, he is picking up support across the country from American voters who have grown frustrated with the current direction of this nation.

Dr. Carson warns of the political correct “police” and “media bullies” who are drowning out conservative views from the public square.

He says secularism is rising and Christians are suffering persecution.

His mission is to restore America to the ideals of the Founding Fathers.

Newsmax, one of America’s most influential online news media outlets, is conducting an urgent online poll asking Americans about Dr. Ben Carson and other leading GOP candidates like Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee and Jeb Bush. You can vote in this poll by Clicking Here Now.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/MKTNews/Ben-Cars ... z3YWFNvJdA
Urgent: Rate Obama on His Job Performance. Vote Here Now!

He's a creationist and a baptist.

So?

[United Russian Soviet States]

The Democratic Party is very stupid. The GOP will not take your natural rights away.

Yes they would. Why the hell are they against gay marriage and abortion if they wouldn't?

Those are not natural rights.

I thought you were center-right.

You don't understand american politics.

Forced to choose between the Democrats and Republicans, I go with Democrats. They don't condemn me and don't act insane (with the exception of the progressive caucus.)

The Republicans are center-right. The Democrats are center-left.

[Euphion]

Elizabeth Warren

[Willamette Valley]

No, he didn't.
Seriously, people really need to stop overestimating what the President can do...

He's been negotiating the TPP in secret for years, I'm pretty sure he can choose not to do that.

Obama ran as a pro-free trade candidate from the get go, hell every Democrat has run as a pro-free trade candidate since the 90s.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Limited government except for the whole "authoritarian government that endorsed racial superiority and slavery" thing. Right?

muh liberty

Cleveland's government never endorsed slavery, but he never did anything to oppose it either (actually, he took office after the emancipation, whereas he was indifferent to the current plight), if you are looking for a failing. He did throw support over to the Native Americans by reforming land grants on an individual basis, however.

To Coldwater:

I found this letter to Cleveland by American anarcho-individualist Lysander Spooner online, which, Spooner being a huge influential predecessor to libertarianism, very interesting. Whether or not Spooner influenced Cleveland could be debated, but it is of merit: http://lysanderspooner.org/LetterToGroverCleveland.htm

Cleveland was an assimilationist on immigration, but he did condemn the Chinese Exclusion Act (though he did somewhat strengthen it, and by no means am I a supporter of it): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cle ... mmigration

Ahh Spooner, one of my favorite figures in American history. I don't know how much Spooner influenced him, as Spooner eventually became more of a left-wing libertarian after some years, and after competing with the US post office.

[Dyakovo]

Elizabeth Warren

Has said she won't run.

[Greater North American Confederacy]

Elizabeth Warren

Has said she won't run.

hell no

[The Liberated Territories]

Yes they would. Why the hell are they against gay marriage and abortion if they wouldn't?

Well I suppose you'd first have to prove Marriage and Abortion are "natural rights"

I'm not going to derail this thread with a debate about natural rights, but if we are equating these with negative liberties than it definitely are the actions of Republicans that are alienating these rights instead of upholding them. The Dems do the same for different ones, and both parties do it out of the justification it is for the general good.

Cleveland's government never endorsed slavery, but he never did anything to oppose it either (actually, he took office after the emancipation, whereas he was indifferent to the current plight), if you are looking for a failing. He did throw support over to the Native Americans by reforming land grants on an individual basis, however.

To Coldwater:

I found this letter to Cleveland by American anarcho-individualist Lysander Spooner online, which, Spooner being a huge influential predecessor to libertarianism, very interesting. Whether or not Spooner influenced Cleveland could be debated, but it is of merit: http://lysanderspooner.org/LetterToGroverCleveland.htm

Cleveland was an assimilationist on immigration, but he did condemn the Chinese Exclusion Act (though he did somewhat strengthen it, and by no means am I a supporter of it): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cle ... mmigration

Ahh Spooner, one of my favorite figures in American history. I don't know how much Spooner influenced him, as Spooner eventually became more of a left-wing libertarian after some years, and after competing with the US post office.

No, well I'd say that Cleveland was a major utilitarian in his justification for liberalism. It's not different than much of the exclusionary laws we have today, just more overt in it's racist nature.

The irony of Spooner's dilemma was that the Post Office was encrypted into the US constitution, out of everything. I believe he later attacked the constitution for not support natural rights but merely using it as political clout.

[Kelinfort]

Yes they would. Why the hell are they against gay marriage and abortion if they wouldn't?

Those are not natural rights.

You don't understand american politics.

Forced to choose between the Democrats and Republicans, I go with Democrats. They don't condemn me and don't act insane (with the exception of the progressive caucus.)

The Republicans are center-right. The Democrats are center-left.

You're making it one dimensional. The Democrats are a big tent centre party, the Republicans are right wing.