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Do you believe in God?

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No
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Postby Godular » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:47 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:There is a God and the people of Earth should know that. Praise be to Allah, and his Prophet Muhammad. Alhamdulillah!

There is a God and the people of Earth should know that. Praise the God-Emperor, and his angels of death. The Emperor protects!


There is a God and the people of Arrakis should know that. Praise be to Shai-Hulud, and the spice melange! Muad'dib! Muad'dib! Muad'dib!

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:00 pm

Godular wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:There is a God and the people of Earth should know that. Praise the God-Emperor, and his angels of death. The Emperor protects!


There is a God and the people of Arrakis should know that. Praise be to Shai-Hulud, and the spice melange! Muad'dib! Muad'dib! Muad'dib!

Sorry.

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Postby The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:46 pm

Rashidunistan wrote:can't tell if you're trolling or not, but you sound like a pharisee, and guess what kind of people Jesus hated the most?
Hint: read the Bible

Jesus hating people?
Maybe you should read the bible also.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:48 pm

The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact wrote:
Rashidunistan wrote:can't tell if you're trolling or not, but you sound like a pharisee, and guess what kind of people Jesus hated the most?
Hint: read the Bible

Jesus hating people?
Maybe you should read the bible also.

Well he certainly wasn't fond of them.
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Postby The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:51 pm


Maybe not fond, but definitely not hateful.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:02 pm

The Highlander Enclaves wrote:There is a God and the people of the Earth should know that. Praise be to the Lord, and his son and the savior of mankind Jesus Christ.

If your god exists, why is their no verifiable evidence for it's existence?
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:06 pm

The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact wrote:Maybe not fond, but definitely not hateful.


He reserved his hatred for fig trees.

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Postby San Llera » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:41 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact wrote:Maybe not fond, but definitely not hateful.


He reserved his hatred for fig trees.

And Athiests, homosexuals, members of the US Army, and Catholics.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:43 pm

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You say these things. But you don't KNOW. None of us know.

Have you seen a vision in the flames?

I had a vision in a dream, where the Lord himself came unto me and told me to spread the his word to all across the land, and my soul shall be spared. This was when I was an atheist, but it has since converted me (Christian for 5 years now)

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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:55 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact wrote:Maybe not fond, but definitely not hateful.


He reserved his hatred for fig trees.

That story had a point, you know.
Matthew 21:18-22[3]

Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked. Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:58 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Highlander Enclaves wrote:There is a God and the people of the Earth should know that. Praise be to the Lord, and his son and the savior of mankind Jesus Christ.

If your god exists, why is their no verifiable evidence for it's existence?

Because then it wouldn't be religion, but science. Which would be interesting, too, of course.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:01 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:No, not as portrayed by the church anyhow. If a benevolent all-powerful God existed the world wouldn't suck so much....

Its more likely that there's multiple gods who have long discarded us because we are a boring art project gone wrong for them, or that their limited power is largely countered and overwhelmed by greater forces we would consider evil

But those aren't the comforting things people want to hear; many people are drawn to the idea of their grandiose self-importance against the face of reality (I may just be an angsty teenager or a mundane office drone or a mediocre mother but guess what? Something as Great as God CARES about me).

Do not put your faith in a higher power.

Embrace the meaninglessness of your life and set an arbitrary goal for your own enjoyment and self-gratification. Go create something (a great work of art, a bridge, an empire, a new company) and take comfort in the fact that at the end of the day even if you fail, it's not important in the grand scheme of things.

As Emma Stone's character said in Birdman: ''YOU DON'T MATTER. GET USED TO IT!''

Remember people, you will only last less than a 100 years compared to the world's seemingly eternal existence. Try and have a good time, but don't stress yourself out.

Don't worry about ''finding God'' or ''starting a family'' or any of that stuff that will supposedly bring meaning to your life. It won't. Embrace the emptiness of your existence, and use it as a Get Out of Jail card. You have no responsibility, no obligation, and if there is a God... he doesn't care or can't do anything. Look inside your heart and feel it... you know it to be true.

Families won't bring meaning to your life? I disagree. And there are reasons why there could be evil in the world despite the presence of an benevolent god. You could start by typing in "problem of evil" into a search engine.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:01 pm

Jute wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:If your god exists, why is their no verifiable evidence for it's existence?

Because then it wouldn't be religion, but science. Which would be interesting, too, of course.

On the contrary, religion would be a science.
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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:03 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Jute wrote:Because then it wouldn't be religion, but science. Which would be interesting, too, of course.

On the contrary, religion would be a science.

That's what I mean. It would be science, but not religion in the way it is defined now.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:09 pm

Jute wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:On the contrary, religion would be a science.

That's what I mean. It would be science, but not religion in the way it is defined now.

Wikipedia wrote:A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.


I see no reason to change that definition in light of such a revelation.
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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:11 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Jute wrote:That's what I mean. It would be science, but not religion in the way it is defined now.

Wikipedia wrote:A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.


I see no reason to change that definition in light of such a revelation.

Well, the distinction usually is religion has scientifically unverifiable beliefs.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

See the Jutean language! Talk to me about all. Avian air force flag (via) Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:14 pm

Jute wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

I see no reason to change that definition in light of such a revelation.

Well, the distinction usually is religion has scientifically unverifiable beliefs.

Owing to the scientifically unsubstantiated claims of religion. The second we find a God though, we can extract from him concentrated gospelium.
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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:23 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Jute wrote:Well, the distinction usually is religion has scientifically unverifiable beliefs.

Owing to the scientifically unsubstantiated claims of religion. The second we find a God though, we can extract from him concentrated gospelium.

Which is science, not religion.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:25 pm

Jute wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Owing to the scientifically unsubstantiated claims of religion. The second we find a God though, we can extract from him concentrated gospelium.

Which is science, not religion.

If religion is substantiated then the two are no longer mutually exclusive.
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Postby Jute » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:28 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Jute wrote:Which is science, not religion.

If religion is substantiated then the two are no longer mutually exclusive.

I guess? That would change definitions, though.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."

See the Jutean language! Talk to me about all. Avian air force flag (via) Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:30 pm

Jute wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:If religion is substantiated then the two are no longer mutually exclusive.

I guess? That would change definitions, though.

The definition itself would not change; only the specifics would.
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Postby Communist German States » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:53 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Yeah, this acid trip I had at a bluegrass festival one time contradicts this guy's beliefs in a lot of ways.

That is illegal and using drugs goes against the will of the lord. Have you ever went to see a priest over the possibility of demons attempting to control you? My local priest has talked before about how demons attempt to take over your body and make you sin.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:There is a God and the people of Earth should know that. Praise be to Allah, and his Prophet Muhammad. Alhamdulillah!

(See how this doesn't really constitute a good argument?)

Disgusting. Revoking the true faith should be punishable. Especially when you pretend to be a Muslim.

I see that you are a far-right fascist. I am pretty sure he was joking about the acid trip.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:03 pm

Communist German States wrote:I see that you are a far-right fascist. I am pretty sure he was joking about the acid trip.

...yeah. Joking. Heh. Yeah. Joking.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:10 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Highlander Enclaves wrote:There is a God and the people of the Earth should know that. Praise be to the Lord, and his son and the savior of mankind Jesus Christ.

If your god exists, why is their no verifiable evidence for it's existence?


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