California college bans American flag from part of campus

[Alyakia]

This is just beyond bullshit. I hope the liberals on this site will agree with me that while America is certainly guilty of its fair share of crimes and has often overstepped its constitutional boundaries, it has also done many wonderful things for this world, such as ending World War II and defeating Nazi Germany, the Civil Rights Movement and equality for minorities, putting man on the moon, the Industrial revolution, and standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history.

Why the hell would liberals disagree with that?

goddamn i just saw the bastion of free speech and enterprise and it set off my pinochet/banana war alarm. thanks a lot guys.

[United North Atlantic States]

I agree. The Flag is a symbol of authority, conformity, and group-think.

So flags have to be abolished now? Or is it just this flag?

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism, I side with liberty. All censorship is wrong. Even Nazi flags shouldn't be banned.

[The Grim Reaper]

So flags have to be abolished now? Or is it just this flag?

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism, I side with liberty. All censorship is wrong. Even Nazi flags shouldn't be banned.

What, you mean I have the right to hang the Nazi flag in your place of employment?

[Oneracon]

That's not what the article says. It was neither banned nor related to the campus lobby.

I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?

People thinking critically about the negative actions taken under the American flag and not chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A!" while painting stars and stripes on their faces?

Heresy.

[Geilinor]

So flags have to be abolished now? Or is it just this flag?

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism,

I don't. Why choose to have it represent only the bad parts of our history? Those parts have been discussed extensively and will continue to be discussed.

[Sheltopolis]

I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?

Perhaps they want to ban all flags

THEY DO. IT FUCKING SAYS SO.

For Christ's sake. Now, fucking explain why your free speech to fly a flag in a university you don't go to is more important than their free speech to ban all flags from one of the rooms their student government works in.

The university students can do whatever they please. That doesn't mean we can't debate/criticize their actions.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Ridiculous. Fox couldn't do a better job of painting lefty American students as being anti-patriotic and having no love of country. In reality, it's just the sort of silliness that college students with no real world experience engage in in order to make points, and is therefore worthy of little more than an eyeroll.

[United Russian Soviet States]

Liberalism and political correctness is ruining America.

[Scomagia]

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism, I side with liberty. All censorship is wrong. Even Nazi flags shouldn't be banned.

I don't. Why choose to have it represent only the bad parts of our history?

Because there's more bad than good?

[Keyboard Warriors]

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism, I side with liberty. All censorship is wrong. Even Nazi flags shouldn't be banned.

I don't. Why choose to have it represent only the bad parts of our history?

Because facts and perspective don't make a good story.

[The Grim Reaper]

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism, I side with liberty. All censorship is wrong. Even Nazi flags shouldn't be banned.

I don't. Why choose to have it represent only the bad parts of our history?

The argument is that it doesn't only represent the GOOD parts of US history.

"its display “does not express only selective aspects of its symbolism but the entire spectrum of its interpretation.”"

It is inappropriate to celebrate the bad things that have been done representing that, and any flag, in the opinion of the students who have participated in this vote, in the context of the student government room.

[The Grim Reaper]

The university students can do whatever they please. That doesn't mean we can't debate/criticize their actions.

What you have done here is make up what you want to criticize.

They have banned all flags, which doesn't work for your demonization, so you have decided that they have banned only the American flag.

[Oneracon]

Ridiculous. Fox couldn't do a better job of painting lefty American students as being anti-patriotic and having no love of country. In reality, it's just the sort of silliness that college students with no real world experience engage in in order to make points, and is therefore worthy of little more than an eyeroll.

They're expressing their opinions, even when they're unpopular, and that's the least American thing anyone can do!

[Sheltopolis]

I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?

People thinking critically about the negative actions taken under the American flag and not chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A!" while painting stars and stripes on their faces?

Heresy.

If doing bad things in the past is your defense for not flying flags then I don't know of many countries at all that could righteously fly their flag.

[Conserative Morality]

I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?

Perhaps they want to ban all flags

THEY DO. IT FUCKING SAYS SO.

For Christ's sake. Now, fucking explain why your free speech to fly a flag in a university you don't go to is more important than their free speech to ban all flags from one of the rooms their student government works in.

It seems rather unfair to the opposition within the student government, if there is any.

[United North Atlantic States]

While I agree with Scomagia about the flag's symbolism, I side with liberty. All censorship is wrong. Even Nazi flags shouldn't be banned.

What, you mean I have the right to hang the Nazi flag in your place of employment?

Yes, and I would have the right to take it down.

[The Grim Reaper]

People thinking critically about the negative actions taken under the American flag and not chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A!" while painting stars and stripes on their faces?

Heresy.

If doing bad things in the past is your defense for not flying flags then I don't know of many countries at all that could righteously fly their flag.

EXACTLY. That's why the students are not flying ANY flags.

[Oneracon]

People thinking critically about the negative actions taken under the American flag and not chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A!" while painting stars and stripes on their faces?

Heresy.

If doing bad things in the past is your defense for not flying flags then I don't know of many countries at all that could righteously fly their flag.

Exactly, that's why they took all the flags out of the single work room. They were consistent in their application of the democratically adopted student resolution.

[The Grim Reaper]

What, you mean I have the right to hang the Nazi flag in your place of employment?

Yes, and I would have the right to take it down.

Just like the students in OP have?

[Alyakia]

People thinking critically about the negative actions taken under the American flag and not chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A!" while painting stars and stripes on their faces?

Heresy.

If doing bad things in the past is your defense for not flying flags then I don't know of many countries at all that could righteously fly their flag.

~~*WELL THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WANT ANY FLAGS LOL*~~

[Geilinor]

I don't. Why choose to have it represent only the bad parts of our history?

Because there's fuck all in the way of good parts?

Let's see:
Abolitionism
Passage of the 13th and 14th Amendments
Industrialization
Civil Rights Movement
Women's suffrage movement
Creation of National Parks
Desegregation
NASA
Defeat of Nazi Germany

Flags don't only represent governments, but nations and their people. That's why I also included good things Americans have done independently of the government.

[Luminesa]

Why the hell would liberals disagree with that?

Some do, some don't.

This is ridiculous.

Multiculturalism is not a bad thing. But this is sheer nonsense. I mean...what do I say to this?

Somebody wanna help me out? I'm at a loss for words.

You're at a loss for count of rooms.

I understand, it's one room. But I mean...a student government room, right? I mean, doesn't the student government (theoretically) represent the student body?

[Conserative Morality]

I'm pretty sure comparing a person who shares a name with a perpetrator of genocide is not the same as the symbol of a government that claims continuity with a government that committed genocide.

Holy shit, the Jackson Administration is back?

[Geilinor]

If doing bad things in the past is your defense for not flying flags then I don't know of many countries at all that could righteously fly their flag.

~~*WELL THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WANT ANY FLAGS LOL*~~

Then why have states and nations at all? See how absurd the argument can become?

[Conserative Morality]

Then why have states and nations at all? See how absurd the argument can become?

Groups of any kind, really. So long as there are associations that aren't immediately disbanded after any negative action...