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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:14 pm

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Ikania wrote:Not everywhere, but if you're gonna fly a flag at a public university then it's a good idea for it to be American.


actually it appears they want to avoid flying the flag of any nation

not that they can fly a flag inside one room

Just bring a flagpole and that'll be good.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:15 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
actually it appears they want to avoid flying the flag of any nation

not that they can fly a flag inside one room

Just bring a flagpole and that'll be good.
*nod*


I assume by fly they mean just display in general. Like those little ones you can hang.
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:15 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:And to this, I say whatever, because it's one room


The accurate title of this thread is: "California college student government removes all flags from one student government work room"

But that wouldn't serve OP's ideological "ebul lieberals" agenda. :p
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:15 pm

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Occupied Deutschland wrote:This proposal was authored by Matthew GUEVERA.
As people with the last name Guevara have been involved in mass killings and the infringement of human rights, not to mention the popularization and spread of militaristic dictatorship, I don't think his proposal should be allowed in the Student Council room nor acted upon. Since doing so could be viewed as an endorsement of such activities, or a noncontention with them that is antithetical to the ideas of life, liberty, and freedom.


I share my name with a cricket player, but I suck at cricket. Pretty sure Matthew's never committed genocide.

Yes, but people might get that impression because of the symbolism associated with that name.

Just as you obviously shouldn't be allowed to ever be introduced in public. You might be associated with the cricket player, and therefore the legacy of British imperialism. *nod*
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:16 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Ikania wrote:Not everywhere, but if you're gonna fly a flag at a public university then it's a good idea for it to be American.


actually it appears they want to avoid flying the flag of any nation

not that they can fly a flag inside one room

Their reasoning for doing so seems to be opposition to the idea of flags. Better tell that to every country in existence, they never got the memo.
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Postby Alyakia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:16 pm

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The Grim Reaper wrote:
I share my name with a cricket player, but I suck at cricket. Pretty sure Matthew's never committed genocide.

Yes, but people might get that impression because of the symbolism associated with that name.

Just as you obviously shouldn't be allowed to ever be introduced in public. You might be associated with the cricket player, and therefore the legacy of British imperialism. *nod*


get a better analogy

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:17 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:And to this, I say whatever, because it's one room


The accurate title of this thread is: "California college student government removes all flags from one student government work room"

But that wouldn't serve OP's ideological "ebul lieberals" agenda. :p

Dem liebeals. Destroying freedom by givin freedom!
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Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Just bring a flagpole and that'll be good.
*nod*


I assume by fly they mean just display in general. Like those little ones you can hang.

Damn, I was wrong.
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I share my name with a cricket player, but I suck at cricket. Pretty sure Matthew's never committed genocide.

Yes, but people might get that impression because of the symbolism associated with that name.

Just as you obviously shouldn't be allowed to ever be introduced in public. You might be associated with the cricket player, and therefore the legacy of British imperialism. *nod*


I'm pretty sure comparing a person who shares a name with a perpetrator of genocide is not the same as the symbol of a government that claims continuity with a government that committed genocide.
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Postby Urran » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:18 pm

It's unpatriotic and absolutely outrageous.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:19 pm

I agree. The Flag is a symbol of authority, conformity, and group-think. If they don't want it there then it shouldn't be there.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:19 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Yes, but people might get that impression because of the symbolism associated with that name.

Just as you obviously shouldn't be allowed to ever be introduced in public. You might be associated with the cricket player, and therefore the legacy of British imperialism. *nod*


get a better analogy

like, seriously

Nah, having too much fun with this one.

For the record, my tongue is firmly in my cheek in regards to this 'analogy'. The reasoning is just stupid in both cases.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:19 pm

Urran wrote:It's unpatriotic and absolutely outrageous.

Because it was one room?
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Urran wrote:It's unpatriotic and absolutely outrageous.


And what is patriotism?
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Postby United North Atlantic States » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:20 pm

Sheltopolis wrote:This is just beyond bullshit. I hope the liberals on this site will agree with me that while America is certainly guilty of its fair share of crimes and has often overstepped its constitutional boundaries, it has also done many wonderful things for this world, such as ending World War II and defeating Nazi Germany, the Civil Rights Movement and equality for minorities, putting man on the moon, the Industrial revolution, and standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history.

Why the hell would liberals disagree with that?
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Postby Sheltopolis » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:20 pm

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They banned it from the campus lobby, which is the central part of the campus.

That's not what the article says. It was neither banned nor related to the campus lobby.


I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?
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“(F)lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality and democracy.”

Setting standards of freedom, equality, and democracy is a bad thing?

Are they trying to be inclusive for fascists?
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:20 pm

This is ridiculous.

Multiculturalism is not a bad thing. But this is sheer nonsense. I mean...what do I say to this?

Somebody wanna help me out? I'm at a loss for words. :blink:
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:20 pm

Scomagia wrote:I agree. The Flag is a symbol of authority, conformity, and group-think.

So flags have to be abolished now? Or is it just this flag?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:20 pm

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Sheltopolis wrote:This is just beyond bullshit. I hope the liberals on this site will agree with me that while America is certainly guilty of its fair share of crimes and has often overstepped its constitutional boundaries, it has also done many wonderful things for this world, such as ending World War II and defeating Nazi Germany, the Civil Rights Movement and equality for minorities, putting man on the moon, the Industrial revolution, and standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history.

Why the hell would liberals disagree with that?

Some do, some don't.
Luminesa wrote:This is ridiculous.

Multiculturalism is not a bad thing. But this is sheer nonsense. I mean...what do I say to this?

Somebody wanna help me out? I'm at a loss for words. :blink:

You're at a loss for count of rooms.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:21 pm

Sheltopolis wrote:I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?

Hell, people have been rejecting the flag for years. Some people just aren't patriotic. What gets me about this is the reasoning.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:21 pm

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Oneracon wrote:That's not what the article says. It was neither banned nor related to the campus lobby.


I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?

Wasn't that already pointed out in the article.
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I'd rather not quibble about which room it was in. This story is not the end of the world but it is quite disappointing to see young college students disown the American flag. I feel this is a recurring trend among youth. And I find it quite ironic that these students claim to uphold free speech and inclusion, yet don't want American flags in their work room or what not. Perhaps they want to ban all flags, but that'd be kind of silly don't you think?


Perhaps they want to ban all flags


THEY DO. IT FUCKING SAYS SO.

For Christ's sake. Now, fucking explain why your free speech to fly a flag in a university you don't go to is more important than their free speech to ban all flags from one of the rooms their student government works in.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:21 pm

A portion of the resolution reads: “(F)lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality and democracy.”

Authored by student Matthew Guevara, the resolution goes on to state that since “the American flag has been flown in instances of colonialism and imperialism,” its display “does not express only selective aspects of its symbolism but the entire spectrum of its interpretation.”

The most exasperating part of this story is this absolute clusterfuck of an explanation right here.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I agree. The Flag is a symbol of authority, conformity, and group-think.

So flags have to be abolished now? Or is it just this flag?


I dunno, but the students in OP have decided it has to be all flags, in that room.
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