California college bans American flag from part of campus

[Sebastianbourg]

Jesus christ, it's one room. Not only that, it's a college. Why should anyone care about what the collective will of the students is if it doesn't harm anybody? Yes, this is a silly move, but this entire thread is just needless fearmongering. Move along, folks.

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This.

[Wisconsin9]

Wouldn't this be a violation of the First Amendment, if somebody wanted to bring a flag in there and was told to fuck off?

So far that's the only possible problem I could see with this whole fiasco. The only question that needs to be answered is: Is it a public or private place/institution?

It's a state university, right? Sounds like it would be considered public.

[Geilinor]

Disrespecting one group is hardly showing respect to another. If I disrespect Russia, that doesn't mean that I respect gay rights. I could be a raging homophobe who believes that the gays are going to hell.

While that latter statement is true, I still stand by what I've said. The flag, as a symbol of the American government, should be disrespected.

All of them? Hardly. Some of them our influence has been overall positive, on others, overall negative. Making a big show of disowning everything associated with previous administrations means and does nothing except play to the middle-class guilt of some people. Much better is to make amends and assist all with a spirit of international brotherhood.

All of the ones I listed were definitely negative, unless you want to stand up for people like Franco, Pinochet or Suharto.

The flag represents the nation, not the current or any past government.

[Saint-Germaine]

So far that's the only possible problem I could see with this whole fiasco. The only question that needs to be answered is: Is it a public or private place/institution?

It's a state university, right? Sounds like it would be considered public.

What's interesting to note is that UC and most other "state" universities are actually private corporations that turn a profit. They are subsidized by the state but are NOT "socialized" or public institutions. The state can revoke its subsidies but other than that unless the school somehow victimizes someone or one of its customers then the state can't really otherwise take any lawful action.

[New Frenco Empire]

College students like to act edgy. More at 11.

But seriously, it was one room. Your tears are not worth it.

[Luminesa]

College students like to act edgy. More at 11.

But seriously, it was one room. Your tears are not worth it.

I suppose you've got a point. It would be a lot worse if it was, like, the whole school.

[Arumdaum]

:eyebrow:
Fuck you, liberal part of California.

College campuses?

The college is actually located in a conservative area.

[Arumdaum]

While that latter statement is true, I still stand by what I've said. The flag, as a symbol of the American government, should be disrespected.



All of the ones I listed were definitely negative, unless you want to stand up for people like Franco, Pinochet or Suharto.

The flag represents the nation, not the current or any past government.

What flag means to you =/= what flag means to everyone else

[Arkiasis]

God I live in Cali and all you see for miles are Liberals I would say about 7%-1% Of Cali isn't liberal.

Funny, California was one of the states to vote to ban gay marriage.

[Arumdaum]

God I live in Cali and all you see for miles are Liberals I would say about 7%-1% Of Cali isn't liberal.

Yeah... no.

But then again, my formative years so far were mostly spent in conservative parts of Cali.

[Geilinor]

The flag represents the nation, not the current or any past government.

What flag means to you =/= what flag means to everyone else

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_flag

A national flag is a flag that symbolises a country.

For example:
See a government:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_United_Kingdom

See a nation-state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

[Arumdaum]

What flag means to you =/= what flag means to everyone else

[url]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_flag[/url]

A national flag is a flag that symbolises a country.

For example:
See a government:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_United_Kingdom

See a nation-state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_United_Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_%28season%29

Spring is one of the four conventional temperate seasons, following winter and preceding summer.

For exa-

Oh, but wait! I forgot there's something called symbolism! Maybe people see spring as more than just one of four conventional temperate seasons! Like maybe also a representation of youth, life, or maybe even rebirth!

[The Scandinvans]

You cannot legally enforce such a protocol. It would be thrown out by a court and attempts to enforce would led to a very embarrassing lawsuit against the university.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You cannot legally enforce such a protocol. It would be thrown out by a court and attempts to enforce would led to a very embarrassing lawsuit against the university.

They're allowed to keep the flag out of the single room that they meet in if they wish to do that.

[United North Atlantic States]

You cannot legally enforce such a protocol. It would be thrown out by a court and attempts to enforce would led to a very embarrassing lawsuit against the university.

No, it really wouldn't.

[Whispering British Narrator]

I say this not as some faux-patriot sissy but as a decent American that our flag should be flown with pride as it represents, in my opinion, equality, individual liberty, and the voluntary and open exchange of ideas and goods.

If being a sissy were incompatible with sincere love of country, then I can assure you the English would have ruled no further than Wales.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Srsly....

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/uc-irvine-students-vote-to-remove-american-flag-from-campus-lobby/

Students at UC Irvine have voted for a more “inclusive space” by banning the American flag on part of the campus.
Under resolution R50-70 passed Thursday, the Associated Students of UCI voted to remove all flags, including Old Glory, from a student government work room on campus, according to the Associated Students website.

Am I reading this correctly that the flag was just removed from one room?

This is just beyond bullshit. I hope the liberals on this site will agree with me that while America is certainly guilty of its fair share of crimes and has often overstepped its constitutional boundaries, it has also done many wonderful things for this world, such as ending World War II and defeating Nazi Germany, the Civil Rights Movement and equality for minorities, putting man on the moon, the Industrial revolution, and standing as a bastion of free speech and enterprise throughout its 200-some year history. I understand these students' points that the U.S. is guilty of several horrible crimes over the years (slavery, segregation, imperialism, drug war, etc., not that those are uniquely American to begin with), but it is the United States Constitution that gives these kids the right to say what they want, express how they feel, and live safely in a first-world nation.

I say this not as some faux-patriot sissy but as a decent American that our flag should be flown with pride as it represents, in my opinion, equality, individual liberty, and the voluntary and open exchange of ideas and goods. No we are not perfect, but what country is? And what other country has university students that would bring down their own homeland for the sake of political correctness? You've got to figure that if immigrants are living in America, they are damn well pleased with how it treats them. It seems that only in America that we nitpick at non-existent issues to make everyone "feel included". I don't understand it. If these (public school) kids are so disgusted with the display of American memorabilia in their school, I highly suggest they ought to cut the funding they receive from the republic which the flag stands for.

Thoughts?

You don't need to have a flag in every room. It sounds like they just decided it was not setting the atmosphere that they wanted in that room.

[Norstal]

They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.

They banned it from the campus lobby, which is the central part of the campus.

What the hell is a campus lobby? Universities have a lot of buildings and offices in it. They only banned the flag from their student government building.

But I do agree it's bullshit and edgy.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Seriously, what the hell.

Why do you want to tarnish your own country's flag and forbid it from flying in your own country? I do not understand. We need a backbone, to say no to ridiculous proposals like this. Keep in mind that if the Mexican Flag was banned in the same campus, the NAACP and SPLC would be jumping on UCI, but because this is the American flag, they don't give a shit.

[Oneracon]

Seriously, what the hell.

Why do you want to tarnish your own country's flag and forbid it from flying in your own country? I do not understand. We need a backbone, to say no to ridiculous proposals like this. Keep in mind that if the Mexican Flag was banned in the same campus, the NAACP and SPLC would be jumping on UCI, but because this is the American flag, they don't give a shit.

They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Seriously, what the hell.

Why do you want to tarnish your own country's flag and forbid it from flying in your own country? I do not understand. We need a backbone, to say no to ridiculous proposals like this. Keep in mind that if the Mexican Flag was banned in the same campus, the NAACP and SPLC would be jumping on UCI, but because this is the American flag, they don't give a shit.

They took it, along with all other flags, out of one room. Get over yourselves.

Fair enough, it was one room, but why remove all the flags? I don't see what is wrong with a few flags in a student government room, especially when it is the student government of an American school.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Seriously, what the hell.

Why do you want to tarnish your own country's flag and forbid it from flying in your own country? I do not understand. We need a backbone, to say no to ridiculous proposals like this. Keep in mind that if the Mexican Flag was banned in the same campus, the NAACP and SPLC would be jumping on UCI, but because this is the American flag, they don't give a shit.

Why is a neo-Confederate upset that they took down the Union flag? Are you sure you are a real secesh?

[Eldona]

It's California. It does not surprise me.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Seriously, what the hell.

Why do you want to tarnish your own country's flag and forbid it from flying in your own country? I do not understand. We need a backbone, to say no to ridiculous proposals like this. Keep in mind that if the Mexican Flag was banned in the same campus, the NAACP and SPLC would be jumping on UCI, but because this is the American flag, they don't give a shit.

Why is a neo-Confederate upset that they took down the Union flag? Are you sure you are a real secesh?

Well, it makes no sense why they had to take it away. It was a pointless thing to do, especially in California. I would rather see that flag removed, and replaced with the Confederate flag in places that are willing to secede, not liberal California.

I'm not upset, but rather surprised that they made such a decision.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's California. It does not surprise me.

It should. This is a right-wing area of California.