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Postby Planita » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:50 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Pretty much what it says on the tin. In a poll by Public Policy Polling, and in response to the question "Would you support or oppose establishing Christianity as the national religion?" (Q17), 57% of Republicans interviewed stated that they supported this idea.

This strikes me as troubling. While it's no surprise that the GOP has leaned ever more right over the past few decades, and has pandered particularly to the religious right during that period of time in a mad scramble for votes, I find it disturbing that a majority of people in the party are so openly disdainful of the Constitution. Previously, the rhetoric was at least hidden behind a veil of "We respect everyone's right to believe as they wish". Now it's more of a "If you're not all about Jesus, then you're not really an American".

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57% of Republicans apparently want to violate the Constitution. And they said Obama was bad.

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Postby Kargintina » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:58 pm

I can gladly say I am among the 43% who don't. Even as a supporter of the GOP, I would never support this.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:04 pm

Their high margin of error means I need a big grain of salt, but only about 30% of the population is a committed Republican. I can reasonably believe that about 15% would want this.
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Postby Jute » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:17 pm

Geilinor wrote:Their high margin of error means I need a big grain of salt, but only about 30% of the population is a committed Republican. I can reasonably believe that about 15% would want this.

Probably less, I'd assume...
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:26 pm

So the US would be following Costa Rica and Argentina which are the only two nations in the Americas that have a so called State religion.

Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
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Postby Sternberg » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:29 pm

So hang on a minute. If 57% of Republicans want to establish a national religion, in violation of founding national legislation that states that no federal government in the US can expressly establish a national religion for the US, nor suppress or discriminate against any one religion, yet only 316 were queried ... That means only, what, less then 1% out of ALL Republicans would support such a motion?

... That survey's concluding percentile doesn't sound right. It looks like both the size of the sample - compared to the total of professed Republicans in the US - and the methodology of the survey itself are flawed. I'm suspecting either a badly-constructed survey or a smack of bias.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:30 pm

Rio Cana wrote:So the US would be following Costa Rica and Argentina which are the only two nations in the Americas that have a so called State religion.

Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

It would require a constitutional amendment first, unless they want to violate the most obvious part of the Constitution.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:32 pm

Sternberg wrote:So hang on a minute. If 57% of Republicans want to establish a national religion, in violation of founding national legislation that states that no federal government in the US can expressly establish a national religion for the US, nor suppress or discriminate against any one religion, yet only 316 were queried ... That means only, what, less then 1% out of ALL Republicans would support such a motion?

... That survey's concluding percentile doesn't sound right. It looks like both the size of the sample - compared to the total of professed Republicans in the US - and the methodology of the survey itself are flawed. I'm suspecting either a badly-constructed survey or a smack of bias.


Or that you don't understand how surveys work.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:32 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:So the US would be following Costa Rica and Argentina which are the only two nations in the Americas that have a so called State religion.

Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

It would require a constitutional amendment first, unless they want to violate the most obvious part of the Constitution.


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Postby Sternberg » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:37 pm

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Or that you don't understand how surveys work.


Alright then. So if 316 Republicans who were polled would favor the above motion, how many Republicans could we conclude would have opposed it? About, what 150? 200? For that matter, does the survey take into account any other political denominations, or was it a Republican-only survey conducted by the PPP?

My apologies if these inane questions could be so easily answered by the data itself, but I haven't been able to access the data; some kind of error on my end.

Even so, I would have to stand by the sentiment I expressed earlier and as expressed by others; this is far easier said then done and would practically be in violation of US legislation without the required amendments to the Constitution, majority in both the states and Congress, and the required follow-up legislation.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:46 pm

Sternberg wrote:Alright then. So if 316 Republicans who were polled would favor the above motion, how many Republicans could we conclude would have opposed it? About, what 150? 200? For that matter, does the survey take into account any other political denominations, or was it a Republican-only survey conducted by the PPP?

My apologies if these inane questions could be so easily answered by the data itself, but I haven't been able to access the data; some kind of error on my end.

Even so, I would have to stand by the sentiment I expressed earlier and as expressed by others; this is far easier said then done and would practically be in violation of US legislation without the required amendments to the Constitution, majority in both the states and Congress, and the required follow-up legislation.


316 total were surveyed, all Republicans. 57% of those surveyed agreed with the statement that Christianity should become a national religion.

The margin of error is 5.5%, meaning that because of the difference between the sample size and the total population, we can be statistically confident that the actual number falls between 51.5% and 62.5%, assuming that the survey wasn't slanted in some way.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:02 pm

In other words, Republicans want to create a Christian Iran.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:14 pm

Steamtopia wrote:In other words, Republicans want to create a Christian Iran.

Which isn't news to anyone Who has paid attention to the religious right....
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Dyakovo wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:In other words, Republicans want to create a Christian Iran.

Which isn't news to anyone Who has paid attention to the religious right....


There's No Gays in Iran, so clearly they want to follow suit.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:16 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:In other words, Republicans want to create a Christian Iran.

Which isn't news to anyone Who has paid attention to the religious right....

News to the religious right probably.
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Steamtopia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Which isn't news to anyone Who has paid attention to the religious right....

News to the religious right probably.


The best way to discourage the religious right from doing something batshit is to point out how the Ebil Muslims are doing the exact same thing.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:17 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:News to the religious right probably.


The best way to discourage the religious right from doing something batshit is to point out how the Ebil Muslims are doing the exact same thing.

Now you're getting my point.
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Postby Burleson 2 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:19 pm

I'm part of that 57%, and proud of it.
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Burleson 2 wrote:I'm part of that 57%, and proud of it.

You're unconstitutional. Deportation is the only option.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:20 pm

Burleson 2 wrote:I'm part of that 57%, and proud of it.


I'm glad to see you admit to how unamerican your principles are.

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Postby Jute » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:20 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Which isn't news to anyone Who has paid attention to the religious right....


There's No Gays in Iran, so clearly they want to follow suit.

Iran is very acceptable of Transsexuals, though, down to paying them surgery.
Gauthier wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:News to the religious right probably.


The best way to discourage the religious right from doing something batshit is to point out how the Ebil Muslims are doing the exact same thing.

The fundamentalist ones only, obviously. The traditional as well as the modern ones not really as much.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:21 pm

Jute wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
There's No Gays in Iran, so clearly they want to follow suit.

Iran is very acceptable of Transsexuals, though, down to paying them surgery.

That's how they get rid of the gays. It's not gay if you change sex.
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Postby Prezelly » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:21 pm

Wow who would have guessed that people would support the majority religion to become the national? (sarcasm)
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Postby Jute » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:22 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Jute wrote:Iran is very acceptable of Transsexuals, though, down to paying them surgery.

That's how they get rid of the gays. It's not gay if you change sex.

Their homophobia is so high that it completely eradicated their transphobia.
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