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Postby The Holy Therns » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:16 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.


I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blame it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


I seem to recall being rather quickly welcomed when I first got here...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:16 pm

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Lordieth wrote:If you think it has anything to do with post count, then you're way off base.

And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.

You people keep coworkers Alive by providing the right amount of distraction. This kid though just rubbed me the wrong way, for previously stated reasons.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:17 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Lordieth wrote:If you think it has anything to do with post count, then you're way off base.

And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.

Meh. I'm still here. I was here since I had I think less 1,000 posts. Not too sure, but I could understand, but he kinda went the wrong way.
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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:17 pm

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Lordieth wrote:I get a little tired of the assumption that it's some sort of popularity contest. I understand if it can seem a little intimidating if you're new, and you see a lot of posters with high post counts, but TET has always been very welcoming of newcomers, provided they mix well with everyone. Just drop in and say hi. We don't bite. Well, much.

There's also the expectation that we must leap over every single discussion. Some discussions don't interest me, and posters who bring those topics regularly are people I don't tend to talk to. Not out of intent to ignore, but because I have nothing to say on the topic. I see how this leads to the cliquish reputation, but we're human, not encyclopedias.


Yeah, that's what I mean about going with the flow. When something doesn't interest you, or you don't have anything you feel like you want to add, then you find something that does. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think it's natural in a chat thread. It's like several conversations going on in a big room. You hover and gravitate, and there shouldn't be any expectation on anyone to respond to a conversation or a reply if they don't want to. TET, on the whole, is pretty friction-free. Whatever it does, on the whole it seems to work, so I wouldn't want to change it in that regard.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:17 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.

You people keep coworkers Alive by providing the right amount of distraction. This kid though just rubbed me the wrong way, for previously stated reasons.


The constant whining does get to you at some point. All you have to do is be yourself.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:19 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.

I think it doesn't help that when you're part of what you've termed the Old Guard, you know more people in the thread and, therefore, get involved in more conversations... which is why the post counts tend to be higher. This is particularly true if you were an ET regular when it was one thread done and dusted every few days.

Those TETs that lasted a week at best where actually not the best ones as far as I´m concerned. The current TET speed seems to be more user friendly, this way you can actually maintain something resembling a conversation. Should be somewhat less intimidating for potential newcomers as well.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:19 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You people keep coworkers Alive by providing the right amount of distraction. This kid though just rubbed me the wrong way, for previously stated reasons.


The constant whining does get to you at some point. All you have to do is be yourself.

That can go to bad places sometimes.
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Postby Forsher » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:19 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.


I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blame it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


It's true of NSG on a wider scale. Just because you've posted something that doesn't mean you have to get a response and not getting a response doesn't mean no-one's read it. I've been a generalite for a while now but this still gets me (moreso than usual because I've been writing stuff which seems like it's just me that reads it).

Some of the people may be remembering this thread from some months back when the flow was, arguably, more a torrent that you sank under.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:20 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:And here I was thinking we accepted Val Halla just fine for someone of his age bracket, but apparently I was wrong. I do understand how he came to that conclusion, though. The old guard of TET tends to easily have more than 10K posts, but that is because we've been around for a while. We could have done something worthwhile with that time, but clearly we decided otherwise. Old guard some of us may very well be, role models less so.

Meh. I'm still here. I was here since I had I think less 1,000 posts. Not too sure, but I could understand, but he kinda went the wrong way.

I´ve been away for a few hours, apparently I missed something.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:20 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blame it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


I seem to recall being rather quickly welcomed when I first got here...

Because your, for the most part, a fun and interesting poster, and someone a genuine fondness can be developed for. Where we care what happens to you. Your first post wasn'T. "Woe is me, soothe my breast you attention whores"
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:20 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The constant whining does get to you at some point. All you have to do is be yourself.

That can go to bad places sometimes.


It's something that happened far too often at the very beginning of TET. And yes, it does goes to bad places quite often. The good part is that the elements that tended to do that are gone. Those who do not understand that, do not last. Those who adapt, stay.
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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:20 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blaming it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


And yet, Lordie, that's exactly what several people have said about TET. Cliques and elitism. I don't know, I don't think there's an elite. There may be cliques but, well, that's normal. You gravitate towards certain people and not others, there's nothing wrong with that.


That doesn't mean we're not welcoming of fresh faces. If I'm being perfectly honest, I think it's more about being able to fit in with the overall atmosphere. Some people seem to find a way of completely going against the grain.
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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:21 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blame it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


I seem to recall being rather quickly welcomed when I first got here...


Which proves it has less to do with post count and more to do with the poster.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:22 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:That can go to bad places sometimes.


It's something that happened far too often at the very beginning of TET. And yes, it does goes to bad places quite often. The good part is that the elements that tended to do that are gone. Those who do not understand that, do not last. Those who adapt, stay.

Mostly because when someone jokes when someone's being themselves, they take it seriously.

I learned that the hard way.
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Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Meh. I'm still here. I was here since I had I think less 1,000 posts. Not too sure, but I could understand, but he kinda went the wrong way.

I´ve been away for a few hours, apparently I missed something.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:23 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:And yet, Lordie, that's exactly what several people have said about TET. Cliques and elitism. I don't know, I don't think there's an elite. There may be cliques but, well, that's normal. You gravitate towards certain people and not others, there's nothing wrong with that.

That doesn't mean we're not welcoming of fresh faces. If I'm being perfectly honest, I think it's more about being able to fit in with the overall atmosphere. Some people seem to find a way of completely going against the grain.

Those are probably also the same people who complain bitterly about the cold and unforgiving elite of TET and their scathing snark.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:23 pm

Forsher wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blame it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


It's true of NSG on a wider scale. Just because you've posted something that doesn't mean you have to get a response and not getting a response doesn't mean no-one's read it. I've been a generalite for a while now but this still gets me (moreso than usual because I've been writing stuff which seems like it's just me that reads it).

Some of the people may be remembering this thread from some months back when the flow was, arguably, more a torrent that you sank under.


TET does change over time, as it does tend to be a product of its posters. It's quieter than it used to be, but it's not such a bad thing. I would like to see more fresh faces, though.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:23 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
And yet, Lordie, that's exactly what several people have said about TET. Cliques and elitism. I don't know, I don't think there's an elite. There may be cliques but, well, that's normal. You gravitate towards certain people and not others, there's nothing wrong with that.


That doesn't mean we're not welcoming of fresh faces. If I'm being perfectly honest, I think it's more about being able to fit in with the overall atmosphere. Some people seem to find a way of completely going against the grain.


Oh, absolutely. We can and are welcoming. But I don't think it's wrong that people form bonds with some and not others. It's the natural flow of things, we are like that IRL. Just because you have better rapport with X person doesn't mean you can't interact with Y person. For the most part, that's how TET is. There's nothing wrong.
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Postby Forsher » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:23 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blame it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


I seem to recall being rather quickly welcomed when I first got here...


When was that though? Having not posted in the thread regularly since the 500 page cap, I think the pre-cap ET was, in some ways, different and better.

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Forsher wrote:I think it doesn't help that when you're part of what you've termed the Old Guard, you know more people in the thread and, therefore, get involved in more conversations... which is why the post counts tend to be higher. This is particularly true if you were an ET regular when it was one thread done and dusted every few days.

Those TETs that lasted a week at best where actually not the best ones as far as I´m concerned. The current TET speed seems to be more user friendly, this way you can actually maintain something resembling a conversation. Should be somewhat less intimidating for potential newcomers as well.


Definitely, that was something I was trying to say (and something I think I have elaborated on). Personally, right now, the thread feels more like it did at page 4000.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:25 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It's something that happened far too often at the very beginning of TET. And yes, it does goes to bad places quite often. The good part is that the elements that tended to do that are gone. Those who do not understand that, do not last. Those who adapt, stay.

Mostly because when someone jokes when someone's being themselves, they take it seriously.

I learned that the hard way.


I'll be the first to admit that, in TET, I post through a cat persona more than myself. Scratch that, I am the cat (jokingly). I am me. You don't need to stop being you so people talk to you.

Do I make sense?
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:25 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
I just don't like it when people who aren't able to go with the flow blaming it on cliques or elitism. TET's not like that. It just has a low tolerance for people expecting everything they say to be given equal credence. It's one of the first things you have to let go of when you post here, or you're not going to have a good time.


And yet, Lordie, that's exactly what several people have said about TET. Cliques and elitism. I don't know, I don't think there's an elite. There may be cliques but, well, that's normal. You gravitate towards certain people and not others, there's nothing wrong with that.

There's me. Doesn't get much more elite than that.
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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:25 pm

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Lordieth wrote:That doesn't mean we're not welcoming of fresh faces. If I'm being perfectly honest, I think it's more about being able to fit in with the overall atmosphere. Some people seem to find a way of completely going against the grain.

Those are probably also the same people who complain bitterly about the cold and unforgiving elite of TET and their scathing snark.


You're right on the mark, there. The ones that do complain the most tend to be the ones who figure out how to fit in the least. I think everyone deserves a second chance, and anyone willing to learn from their mistakes is fine in my book. But people who repeat the same actions over and over even after being politely corrected will just end up rubbing people the wrong way.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:26 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Mostly because when someone jokes when someone's being themselves, they take it seriously.

I learned that the hard way.


I'll be the first to admit that, in TET, I post through a cat persona more than myself. Scratch that, I am the cat (jokingly). I am me. You don't need to stop being you so people talk to you.

Do I make sense?

When don't you?
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Postby Forsher » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:26 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Forsher wrote:
It's true of NSG on a wider scale. Just because you've posted something that doesn't mean you have to get a response and not getting a response doesn't mean no-one's read it. I've been a generalite for a while now but this still gets me (moreso than usual because I've been writing stuff which seems like it's just me that reads it).

Some of the people may be remembering this thread from some months back when the flow was, arguably, more a torrent that you sank under.


TET does change over time, as it does tend to be a product of its posters. It's quieter than it used to be, but it's not such a bad thing. I would like to see more fresh faces, though.


I'm not familiar with the ET regulars any more. I know, for instance, that Div and Thafoo posted here a lot when it was really, really quick. But when I posted here with any sense of regularity it was more Nat, Astro, Nana, Lacky etc.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:27 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
And yet, Lordie, that's exactly what several people have said about TET. Cliques and elitism. I don't know, I don't think there's an elite. There may be cliques but, well, that's normal. You gravitate towards certain people and not others, there's nothing wrong with that.

There's me. Doesn't get much more elite than that.
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Seriously though, y'all have nailed it. We respond to posts that, well, we have responses for...


Yup. That doesn't mean that if you say something I find of import, I won't answer later. But if you said something I don't particularly find interesting or have nothing to say to, I won't respond. That doesn't mean I don't like you, or that I find you annoying, or that I'm being mean.

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I'll be the first to admit that, in TET, I post through a cat persona more than myself. Scratch that, I am the cat (jokingly). I am me. You don't need to stop being you so people talk to you.

Do I make sense?

When don't you?


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Postby Lordieth » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:28 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Mostly because when someone jokes when someone's being themselves, they take it seriously.

I learned that the hard way.


I'll be the first to admit that, in TET, I post through a cat persona more than myself. Scratch that, I am the cat (jokingly). I am me. You don't need to stop being you so people talk to you.

Do I make sense?


That's kind like the whole Meerkat thing with me. It got to a point where it seemed somewhat expected, and if I'm feeling a little silly I'll run with it. Sometimes it's nice just not to be a total grown-up all the time.
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