Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[Armstdern]

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

The barrel on the airsoft gun had no orange safety indicator and was all black. It looked like a real gun. Also, police officers cannot be suspected to die because the armed person is a child. Lastly, he wasn't just acting to protect himself, but the other officer(s) at the scene and any bystanders.

You're an idiot if you think that police officers should be expected to die because the person with a gun (what was later discovered to not be a real one) is a child. The cop also did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, think he did good. He is distraught over the incident.

Also, why are you even trying to pull the racism card? If Tamir Rice was white, I guarantee that you wouldn't give two fucks.

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

[Planita]

Life in prison would be a good punishment.

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

Oh great you again...

I believe that the kid by removing markings from the fake gun did something incredibly stupid.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

Hes a police officer, every round he fires he is accountable for. its not some redneck that wants to squeeze off a few rounds.

That's not the story, though. Someone had a very realistic gun and was causing a lot of trouble. The cop is justified.

[Planita]

The barrel on the airsoft gun had no orange safety indicator and was all black. It looked like a real gun. Also, police officers cannot be suspected to die because the armed person is a child. Lastly, he wasn't just acting to protect himself, but the other officer(s) at the scene and any bystanders.

You're an idiot if you think that police officers should be expected to die because the person with a gun (what was later discovered to not be a real one) is a child. The cop also did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, think he did good. He is distraught over the incident.

Also, why are you even trying to pull the racism card? If Tamir Rice was white, I guarantee that you wouldn't give two fucks.

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

The fake gun had its orange tip removed, without it looks very convincing

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Oh great you again...

Hello!

[Armstdern]

Hes a police officer, every round he fires he is accountable for. its not some redneck that wants to squeeze off a few rounds.

That's not the story, though. Someone had a very realistic gun and was causing a lot of trouble. The cop is justified.

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

[Kriegers]

The barrel on the airsoft gun had no orange safety indicator and was all black. It looked like a real gun. Also, police officers cannot be suspected to die because the armed person is a child. Lastly, he wasn't just acting to protect himself, but the other officer(s) at the scene and any bystanders.

You're an idiot if you think that police officers should be expected to die because the person with a gun (what was later discovered to not be a real one) is a child. The cop also did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, think he did good. He is distraught over the incident.

Also, why are you even trying to pull the racism card? If Tamir Rice was white, I guarantee that you wouldn't give two fucks.

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

Having used real weapons and AirSoft guns, it's not incredibly easy to tell from any distance.

[Avenio]

THEY ARE COPS, HE DROVE UP RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.

What is "right next to him"? That's not really a useful measurement without knowing the distance. Past 5 or 6 ft, that thing would look pretty real.

Of course, that then begs the question - if the police officers did think it was real, and that Rice was a threat, why did they drive straight up to him at point blank range, roll down the window and yell at him? That seems like a pretty unsafe way to deal with someone with a firearm.

[Sediczja]

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

looooooooooool. I don't agree with life imprisonment, but isn't there something called using "necessary force"? Did the officer really have to shoot-to-kill?

You either shoot or you don't shoot at all, there is no "shooting to wound" as I understand it. That's why we have tasers and baton guns.

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

If I pulled that pistol on you and you had a, let's say, one second window to identify it, would you think it was real or not?

[Planita]

Oh great you again...

Hello!

Whatever... please refrain from saying anything idiotic

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

Its in limbo, the gun was very realistic

[Armstdern]

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

Having used real weapons and AirSoft guns, it's not incredibly easy to tell from any distance.

Either way, they shot to kill that boy. His death would've been avoided if they chose to shoot elsewhere.

[Trygg]

Hes a police officer, every round he fires he is accountable for. its not some redneck that wants to squeeze off a few rounds.

That's not the story, though. Someone had a very realistic gun and was causing a lot of trouble. The cop is justified.

Again, for the third time, the officer should have taken the fact that the kid was obviously under 15 into consideration, and he also shouldn't have shot-to-kill. Unnecessary force was used.

[Iron Fist Sovereignty]

The barrel on the airsoft gun had no orange safety indicator and was all black. It looked like a real gun. Also, police officers cannot be suspected to die because the armed person is a child. Lastly, he wasn't just acting to protect himself, but the other officer(s) at the scene and any bystanders.

You're an idiot if you think that police officers should be expected to die because the person with a gun (what was later discovered to not be a real one) is a child. The cop also did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, think he did good. He is distraught over the incident.

Also, why are you even trying to pull the racism card? If Tamir Rice was white, I guarantee that you wouldn't give two fucks.

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

It was holstered at the time. Also, look at the goddamn fucking pictures of the airsoft gun - I can tell it's not real, but at any kind of distance, I wouldn't be able to. If I could only see the grip, I wouldn't be able to tell, at least not in the mere moments I would have to decide whether or not to fire.

Hell, they may not have been able to see the gun because it was holstered. Stop trying to say that cops should be able to identify the weapon in three fucking milliseconds.

Also, I'm Nova's other nation.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

That's not the story, though. Someone had a very realistic gun and was causing a lot of trouble. The cop is justified.

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

This brings up an interesting point, by the way. You say that killing a child is not justified. What about abortions? Secularists typically support that, after all. Where do we draw the line? A child in the womb is helpless and defenseless, but this 12 year old waving the gun around was neither helpless or defenseless, he was violent and hostile.

That being said, the 12 year old made a conscious choice to cause trouble and wave a gun around, and unfortunately paid his life as a consequence.

[Dalcaria]

Having used real weapons and AirSoft guns, it's not incredibly easy to tell from any distance.

Either way, they shot to kill that boy. His death would've been avoided if they chose to shoot elsewhere.

Which raises my question again, where did the officer shoot the boy, does anyone know? Because if there was a way of shooting that boy non-lethally, then I am concerned by the fact he did not.

[Kalbana]

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

This brings up an interesting point, by the way. You say that killing a child is not justified. What about abortions? Secularists typically support that, after all. Where do we draw the line? A child in the womb is helpless and defenseless, but this 12 year old waving the gun around was neither helpless or defenseless, he was violent and hostile.

That being said, the 12 year old made a conscious choice to cause trouble and wave a gun around, and unfortunately paid his life as a consequence.

Please don't derail the thread.

[United Marxist Nations]

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

This brings up an interesting point, by the way. You say that killing a child is not justified. What about abortions? Secularists typically support that, after all. Where do we draw the line? A child in the womb is helpless and defenseless, but this 12 year old waving the gun around was neither helpless or defenseless, he was violent and hostile.

That being said, the 12 year old made a conscious choice to cause trouble and wave a gun around, and unfortunately paid his life as a consequence.

No, no threadjack.

[Armstdern]

looooooooooool. I don't agree with life imprisonment, but isn't there something called using "necessary force"? Did the officer really have to shoot-to-kill?

You either shoot or you don't shoot at all, there is no "shooting to wound" as I understand it. That's why we have tasers and baton guns.

They drove right up next to the boy, they saw the gun. They should of been able to tell the difference between a fake and a real gun.

If I pulled that pistol on you and you had a, let's say, one second window to identify it, would you think it was real or not?

I'd rather die then shoot a child.

[Planita]

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

This brings up an interesting point, by the way. You say that killing a child is not justified. What about abortions? Secularists typically support that, after all. Where do we draw the line? A child in the womb is helpless and defenseless, but this 12 year old waving the gun around was neither helpless or defenseless, he was violent and hostile.

That being said, the 12 year old made a conscious choice to cause trouble and wave a gun around, and unfortunately paid his life as a consequence.

One: Can you not
Two: I would unfortunately have to agree with you with this. It was in extremely stupid thing to do

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

:Eats Popcorn:

Might sit this one out, pretty entertaining so far.

[Romic]

Did any of you care to read my other post?

[Washington Resistance Army]

> Kills a child
> Is justified
Yeah nahh

This brings up an interesting point, by the way. You say that killing a child is not justified. What about abortions? Secularists typically support that, after all. Where do we draw the line? A child in the womb is helpless and defenseless, but this 12 year old waving the gun around was neither helpless or defenseless, he was violent and hostile.

That being said, the 12 year old made a conscious choice to cause trouble and wave a gun around, and unfortunately paid his life as a consequence.

Take your threadjack and vacate the premises.

[Planita]

Archie has a habit of threadjacking everything.

[Kalbana]

Archie has a habit of threadjacking everything.

Yep

[Kriegers]

Having used real weapons and AirSoft guns, it's not incredibly easy to tell from any distance.

Either way, they shot to kill that boy. His death would've been avoided if they chose to shoot elsewhere.

Do you honestly think they are so skilled with firearms that they could shoot it out if his hand? Otherwise, shooting anywhere else doesn't eliminate a threat, there is only a chance of the threat being diminished.

If I heard of a 12-year-old boy running around and causing trouble with a gun, I'd assume he wasn't mentally healthy. Therefore, chances cannot be taken.


Also, the officer didn't exactly have time to debate morals.