Cleaveland Officer Shoots A 12 YEAR OLD

[United Marxist Nations]

How about you wait before you make assumptions?

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

This is the fake gun in question:

[Washington Resistance Army]

Isn't that fucking incredible, he gets told it's probably not real and he still goes ahead and kills someone. Hope he gets thrown in prison for the rest of his life.

You misread Avenio. He said that the police involved DIDN'T get told that it was probably not real.

Ah, that's what I get for posting on NSG when I just wake up. I could see how it happened though, with the tip removed it does look awfully realistic.

[Geilinor]

Toy guns are supposed to have orange tips and this brand of gun is known for being very realistic.

[Romic]

The orange tip was removed
Police did say for him to put his hands up
Instead he went for the gun
Police are trained that hands=death
They fired. They take all calls of ANY firearms brandishing serious air gun or not. There are a lot of what ifs in all these cases.

Events like this happen nearly everyday, the only ones that make headlines are the ones that involve children and if it might invoke racial debates.

An event a year or two ago a child brought an airsoft gun to school. Brandished it and pointed at police. They fired. The child died. What difference do these cases have? One was close to date on a shooting with a racial divide. This is called sensationalized media.

[The balkens]

You misread Avenio. He said that the police involved DIDN'T get told that it was probably not real.

Ah, that's what I get for posting on NSG when I just wake up. I could see how it happened though, with the tip removed it does look awfully realistic.

Now can we assume that the cop made a god awful mistake?

[Sediczja]

How about you wait before you make assumptions?

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

This is the "gun" in question. Are you telling me you could tell the difference between that and a real weapon at any kind of distance?

[Lingang]

This shit happens all the time, I remember not long ago someone in Walmart got shot because they were buying a fake gun. I think we even had a thread about in on NSG.

That guy was black wasnt he.....

Jesus christ....

Get ready for Round Three..... people are about to get even angrier.

Shit it's happened again, and it was SO avoidable. Yet people get angry, and allow that emotion to get the best of them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ah, that's what I get for posting on NSG when I just wake up. I could see how it happened though, with the tip removed it does look awfully realistic.

Now can we assume that the cop made a god awful mistake?

That's what it's starting to seem like, I know I would think that gun was real if someone pointed it at me.

[Armstdern]

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

This is the fake gun in question:

If that gun was being pointed at me, I'd be able to tell it wasn't real even if the orange tip was off. You can tell, it's not that hard. And I'm pretty damn sure cops aren't meant to shoot and ask questions later.

[Trygg]

from the proper distance, I'm positive it looked like a real firearm.

If you took the time to read the article, you should have seen that the cop drove up right next to the kid.
EDIT: After seeing a picture of the gun in question, I agree the officer would have had a very difficult time distinguishing it from a real weapon, even at a close distance.

[Dalcaria]

Quick question, but did they release details on what part of the body the boy was shot? Because cops are supposed to be trained for non-lethal shooting where possible, and though I can't say for sure if a 12 year old could survive this or not, a gut shot is supposed to take hours to die from. That said, if he went for a lethal shot on a child when there was a non-lethal opportunity, that raises a lot of suspicion in me, because if grown men can't stand the pain from a gut shot, I don't know how a child could and still somehow pose a threat to the officer.

[Kalbana]

This is the fake gun in question:

If that gun was being pointed at me, I'd be able to tell it wasn't real even if the orange tip was off. You can tell, it's not that hard. And I'm pretty damn sure cops aren't meant to shoot and ask questions later.

Not everyone is a gun expert who can identify the make and model of any gun by a glance, you know

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Exactly right, that cop is a murderer and should be treated as one.

Life in prison would be a good punishment.

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

[The balkens]

Now can we assume that the cop made a god awful mistake?

That's what it's starting to seem like, I know I would think that gun was real if someone pointed it at me.

I actually feel bad for him.

[Kalbana]

That's what it's starting to seem like, I know I would think that gun was real if someone pointed it at me.

I actually feel bad for him.

Me too

[Mavorpen]

It was a fake gun....

Holy fucking shit.

This shit happens all the time, I remember not long ago someone in Walmart got shot because they were buying a fake gun. I think we even had a thread about in on NSG.

That was different. In that case, it was a guy who called the police and claimed the black man was waving the fake gun at shoppers. That turned out to be completely false and the black man yelled out that the gun was fake before he was shot to death. In this case though, the 911 caller did not make a false claim, and there appears to be a procedural error that caused some crucial information to be left out for the officer involved.

[Armstdern]

If that gun was being pointed at me, I'd be able to tell it wasn't real even if the orange tip was off. You can tell, it's not that hard. And I'm pretty damn sure cops aren't meant to shoot and ask questions later.

Not everyone is a gun expert who can identify the make and model of any gun by a glance, you know

THEY ARE COPS, HE DROVE UP RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.

[The balkens]

Life in prison would be a good punishment.

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

Hes a police officer, every round he fires he is accountable for. its not some redneck that wants to squeeze off a few rounds.

[Nova Acernis]

How about you wait before you make assumptions?

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

The barrel on the airsoft gun had no orange safety indicator and was all black. It looked like a real gun. Also, police officers cannot be suspected to die because the armed person is a child. Lastly, he wasn't just acting to protect himself, but the other officer(s) at the scene and any bystanders.

You're an idiot if you think that police officers should be expected to die because the person with a gun (what was later discovered to not be a real one) is a child. The cop also did NOT, I repeat, did NOT, think he did good. He is distraught over the incident.

Also, why are you even trying to pull the racism card? If Tamir Rice was white, I guarantee that you wouldn't give two fucks.

[Kriegers]

How about you wait before you make assumptions?

The cop is an asshole, as a police officer you don't value your own life over a child's, also if a police officer can't tell the difference between a fake and a real gun then he shouldn't be a cop in the first place.

Do you honestly think he was closely examining the gun at that moment?

[Avenio]

Ah, that's what I get for posting on NSG when I just wake up. I could see how it happened though, with the tip removed it does look awfully realistic.

Now can we assume that the cop made a god awful mistake?

This 'mistake' resulted in the death of a 12-year-old boy. This isn't just the sort of mistake you can shrug off with a 'You win some and you lose some'. There was a whole chain of mistakes and poor judgement calls that lead up to his death, some of it perhaps even criminal. That will be for the hypothetical investigation to decide.

[Dalcaria]

This is the fake gun in question:

If that gun was being pointed at me, I'd be able to tell it wasn't real even if the orange tip was off. You can tell, it's not that hard. And I'm pretty damn sure cops aren't meant to shoot and ask questions later.

No offense, but as a gun lover myself, if this was the gun in question being pointed at me, I would be very quick to assume it was real. The only way you can tell is looking at the tip (which appears to be painted over), which you're not going to see when it's pointed at you. As much as I feel suspicious about the cop, it's far from easy to tell this gun was fake.

[United States Kingdom]

Life in prison would be a good punishment.

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

Are you telling me that a 12 year old kid is a threat to a trained police officer, regardless of the fact that he had a fake gun. Killing a child that didn't even start fucking high school should be life in prison.

[Trygg]

Life in prison would be a good punishment.

Life in prison for...self defense? What about the Second Amendment?

looooooooooool. I don't agree with life imprisonment, but isn't there something called using "necessary force"? Did the officer really have to shoot-to-kill?

[United Marxist Nations]

Not everyone is a gun expert who can identify the make and model of any gun by a glance, you know

THEY ARE COPS, HE DROVE UP RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.

What is "right next to him"? That's not really a useful measurement without knowing the distance. Past 5 or 6 ft, that thing would look pretty real.