Ferguson Megathread

[Au Naturel Reina]

No, the spreading of chaos is never wonderful. Change is necessary, but this sick violence and vandalism is unneeded and harmful for the people of Ferguson. Now the area will have fewer jobs, the people will essentially be stuck in welfare, and their situation just gets worse from here on. This could've been avoided if there weren't any thugs running around stealing merchandise, starting fires, and firing weapons. The protests were suppose to be peaceful, not violent at all. Their voice would've been heard either way considering how the conflict had been escalating on the news. Nobody will win from this situation, and the law enforcement will only grow larger as it will need to prepare for future riots such as Ferguson's case.

Yeah, the cops will probably crack down on them, but that'll just convince a few more of the wavering of the necessity of revolution. Is there a cost to breaking things? Yes. But there's also a purpose.

That purpose isn't being fulfilled in Ferguson. It won't be fulfilled anywhere actually. This wasn't a cry for revolution, this was pure anarchy caused by a bunch of unruly punks who took advantage of a protest created by their own people. The thugs responsible for this event are perhaps worse than the cops who oppressed these neighborhoods to begin with. If there was a purpose to this protest, it is lost.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Your attempts to present random violence against individuals who are in no way involved in the matter as a rational response is quite troubling to me.

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

Such damage requires violence.

[Au Naturel Reina]

Your attempts to present random violence against individuals who are in no way involved in the matter as a rational response is quite troubling to me.

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

That's still illegal.

[Margno]

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

Why?

The nation needed something to wake it up. We've ignored the systemic problems of racism in our society for too long. Civil rights advocates have been more or less constantly protesting politely for the last decade. The people have started to ignore it. It's time they protested impolitely.
I'm not unmoved by the plight of the people of Ferguson, though I absolutely maintain that the destruction needed to happen. We should just help them rebuild.

[Margno]

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

That's still illegal.

Quite so.

[FutureAmerica]

It was a good decision. The Mo national guard need to set a curfew in Ferguson for the week at 8pm. Anyone on the street will get one warning. If ignored, they will be shot.

Let's be clear here. Is this a race problem or not? White cop shooting black thug is now wrong? Did everyone see the surveillance footage of brown in the store? Brown got what he deserved. A black cop would have shot him just the same. Stupid thugs get shot in America. It happens everyday. Treyvon Martin was also a dumb thug and he got shot.

[Margno]

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

Such damage requires violence.

No it doesn't. The protestors just used violence to back up their property damage, but they shouldn't have.

[Tsaraine]

It was a good decision. The Mo national guard need to set a curfew in Ferguson for the week at 8pm. Anyone on the street will get one warning. If ignored, they will be shot.

Let's be clear here. Is this a race problem or not? White cop shooting black thug is now wrong? Did everyone see the surveillance footage of brown in the store? Brown got what he deserved. A black cop would have shot him just the same. Stupid thugs get shot in America. It happens everyday. Treyvon Martin was also a dumb thug and he got shot.

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[Nazi Flower Power]

It was a good decision. The Mo national guard need to set a curfew in Ferguson for the week at 8pm. Anyone on the street will get one warning. If ignored, they will be shot.

Let's be clear here. Is this a race problem or not? White cop shooting black thug is now wrong? Did everyone see the surveillance footage of brown in the store? Brown got what he deserved. A black cop would have shot him just the same. Stupid thugs get shot in America. It happens everyday. Treyvon Martin was also a dumb thug and he got shot.

Dude, no.

[Seangoli]

Your attempts to present random violence against individuals who are in no way involved in the matter as a rational response is quite troubling to me.

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

I'm sure if it were your home or life's work getting destroyed, you'd think different. And I'm a bloody radical socialist. Destruction for the sake of destruction is just plain idiotic.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Why?

The nation needed something to wake it up. We've ignored the systemic problems of racism in our society for too long. Civil rights advocates have been more or less constantly protesting politely for the last decade. The people have started to ignore it. It's time they protested impolitely.
I'm not unmoved by the plight of the people of Ferguson, though I absolutely maintain that the destruction needed to happen. We should just help them rebuild.

Yes. I'm sure these incidents of people capitalizing on a tragedy for personal gain will only assist in the struggle for civil rights.

[FutureAmerica]

Let's bring lynching laws back to Missouri. It will stop the riots.

[Au Naturel Reina]

Why?

The nation needed something to wake it up. We've ignored the systemic problems of racism in our society for too long. Civil rights advocates have been more or less constantly protesting politely for the last decade. The people have started to ignore it. It's time they protested impolitely.
I'm not unmoved by the plight of the people of Ferguson, though I absolutely maintain that the destruction needed to happen. We should just help them rebuild.

That will cost resources, and resources cost money. Ferguson probably doesn't have much money for those resources, and even if the state coughs up the money to help out, that money will need to come from somewhere. Like I've been saying, the people of Ferguson aren't benefitting. At all. I also say again the violence was absolutely unnecessary, especially since this was a peaceful protest and therefore violence is completely uncalled for.

[Margno]

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

I'm sure if it were your home or life's work getting destroyed, you'd think different. And I'm a bloody radical socialist. Destruction for the sake of destruction is just plain idiotic.

One of the more common criticisms, for some reason. No, I wouldn't, not least of all because I'm aesthetic and own precious little. I don't even own the bed I sleep in, and if that needs to go, it needs to go.

[Au Naturel Reina]

Let's bring lynching laws back to Missouri. It will stop the riots.

Go be racist back on Stormfront!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Such damage requires violence.

No it doesn't. The protestors just used violence to back up their property damage, but they shouldn't have.

The better question here is how do you NOT become violent while doing property damage?

[Tsaraine]

Let's bring lynching laws back to Missouri. It will stop the riots.

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[The Blaatschapen]

Let's bring lynching laws back to Missouri. It will stop the riots.

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You beat me to it. I was posting the same thing, but then a work issue popped up >_>

[Margno]

The nation needed something to wake it up. We've ignored the systemic problems of racism in our society for too long. Civil rights advocates have been more or less constantly protesting politely for the last decade. The people have started to ignore it. It's time they protested impolitely.
I'm not unmoved by the plight of the people of Ferguson, though I absolutely maintain that the destruction needed to happen. We should just help them rebuild.

That will cost resources, and resources cost money. Ferguson probably doesn't have much money for those resources, and even if the state coughs up the money to help out, that money will need to come from somewhere. Like I've been saying, the people of Ferguson aren't benefitting. At all. I also say again the violence was absolutely unnecessary, especially since this was a peaceful protest and therefore violence is completely uncalled for.

No, I'm saying it should come from us, civil rights advocates outside of Ferguson, through NGO's. I think you're completely right about the violence, but I don't think the same is true of the property damage.

[Margno]

No it doesn't. The protestors just used violence to back up their property damage, but they shouldn't have.

The better question here is how do you NOT become violent while doing property damage?

You damage objects, without damaging people's bodies.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

One big struggle of the powerful against the disenfranchised, who more often than not are the source of their power, yes, a lot of human history is that.

No, it is not. First of all, there is a lot of negotiation, cooperation, and peaceful development that has nothing to do with struggles of any kind. And even if you look at the part of history that involves conflicts, there are many separate conflicts between a wide variety of groups over a wide variety of issues. The majority of the fighting in the world is between different groups of powerful people and has nothing whatsoever to do with class warfare.

You're breaking his fantasy world where a member of the minority and a member of the majority can't be in mutual agreement and understand each other.

In that spirit, I got two swords waiting for us at these magnificent garden. Let's each take our swords and stab each other until we're both dead, that's clearly the kind of cruel and oppressive world this is.

Disclaimer: No persons will be harmed during this event. Probably me, but other than a probable, no.

[The Peoples of Xaer]

Why?

The nation needed something to wake it up. We've ignored the systemic problems of racism in our society for too long. Civil rights advocates have been more or less constantly protesting politely for the last decade. The people have started to ignore it. It's time they protested impolitely.
I'm not unmoved by the plight of the people of Ferguson, though I absolutely maintain that the destruction needed to happen. We should just help them rebuild.

Sure worked GREAT when Los Angeles tried it. But I'm suuuuure Ferguson's roughly 21,000 population will accomplish something far more lasting and effective than LA's almost 4,000,000.

This isn't going to spark some amazing anarchist revolution. All it's going to accomplish is depressing the local economy until somebody decides to try investing to gentrify the area.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The better question here is how do you NOT become violent while doing property damage?

You damage objects, without damaging people's bodies.

So if I hit a wall in anger am I not reacting violently, or am I?

[Au Naturel Reina]

The better question here is how do you NOT become violent while doing property damage?

You damage objects, without damaging people's bodies.

You just don't get it do you? Property damage is still violence. It doesn't need to harm another person to qualify as violence. We cannot easily replace people's property either. Houses take months to build. Building and maintaining a car is a fortune. This is the property of another person and shouldn't be tampered with by another, especially through vandalism! Numerous homes, jobs, and vehicles, and even lives are lost in Ferguson over this, and absolutely no one, NO ONE, will benefit at all. Not in Ferguson, or anywhere else.

[Dyakovo]

Your attempts to present random violence against individuals who are in no way involved in the matter as a rational response is quite troubling to me.

I don't support violence, I support property damage.

Damaging property is violence.