US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel resigns

[Kelinfort]

So Al Gore should've been president. Got it.

That's actually a good idea, but I thought the ebul secularist cities had more people?

That's true, the secularists like to congregate in large, authoritarian cities. Conservatives who believe in property rights, privacy, and freedom, and therefore live in the country.

"Authoritarian" cities. Yeah.

And you don't believe in privacy when it comes to homosexuality, religion, and abortion. Your strawman is so large, I can see it from my house. You're trying too hard.

[Kelinfort]

You do realize that your vote would matter much less in a majority vote system, right? You wouldn't be voting for your state's decision against some odd-few million people, you'd be voting against the entire US electorate. Your voice would be lost in that clamor.

What about elections for representatives? That's where the vote really counts. The vote for President is an affair of the whole nation, and should be looked at from that point of view. But elections of representatives, who specifically represent you - that's where the vote counts the most.

I daresay we should however go back to the Constitution's original definition of senatorial elections. There was a time when senators were chosen by state legislatures. I quite like that idea. It gives state legislatures an actual voice in the national government.

No. We amended the constitution already, and we're not about to give that power back to even more corruption.

[Conserative Morality]

What about elections for representatives? That's where the vote really counts. The vote for President is an affair of the whole nation, and should be looked at from that point of view. But elections of representatives, who specifically represent you - that's where the vote counts the most.

So the Democrats should've won the last two general elections?

I daresay we should however go back to the Constitution's original definition of senatorial elections. There was a time when senators were chosen by state legislatures. I quite like that idea. It gives state legislatures an actual voice in the national government.

So you're saying that we should change to a popular vote and have state legislatures make the decision for us.

Terribly inconsistent and inefficient. State legislatures are *state* legislatures for a reason. You sound like you oppose federal systems of local power and seek a more centralized government. Hardly the mark of the freedom-loving American you claim to be.

[Burleson]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/24/defense-secretary-chuck-hagel-stepping-down-fox-news-confirms/

WASHINGTON – Ousted Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel had become "very, very frustrated" in the post before President Obama sought his resignation, according to a key lawmaker, who blasted the White House for a whispering campaign that accompanied the Pentagon boss' abrupt ouster Monday morning.

“I thank Chuck Hagel for his service, and I know that he was very, very frustrated,” Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican who is expected to take control of the Senate Armed Services Committee in January, said in a radio interview with KFYI.

The story:

According to Fox News, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has resigned from office. New claims state that President Obama pressured the Secretary to resign.

Is it just me, or are the cabinet officials dropping like flies? Hillary, Holder, and two or three others I can't remember, and let's not forget the non-cabinet officials like the old Press Secretaries. What's going on? Is Obama installing puppets for this rumored 'imperial presidency'?

What did Obama not like about Hagel to pressure his resignation? Is it because Hagel is a Republican? Is it because Hagel is a veteran?

My opinion:

This is Obama's secularist theocracy taking root. First it's immigration "Reform" (imperial decree), next its pen-and-phone, IRS scandal, Fast and Furious...it's an attack on this nation! He's going to install secularist/Democrat puppets in office and take over this nation! Unless Congress stops him, all hail Secularist Theocratic Emperor Obama!

There are people on NS with common sense??? It's a damn miracle!!!

[Vassenor]

So if living in rural areas is so pure, why hasn't America gone back to being an agrarian society?

[Conserative Morality]

So if living in rural areas is so pure, why hasn't America gone back to being an agrarian society?

Because slavery was destroyed. Such a violation of local, rural mores and states' rights.

[Communist Volkstrad]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/24/defense-secretary-chuck-hagel-stepping-down-fox-news-confirms/

WASHINGTON – Ousted Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel had become "very, very frustrated" in the post before President Obama sought his resignation, according to a key lawmaker, who blasted the White House for a whispering campaign that accompanied the Pentagon boss' abrupt ouster Monday morning.

“I thank Chuck Hagel for his service, and I know that he was very, very frustrated,” Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican who is expected to take control of the Senate Armed Services Committee in January, said in a radio interview with KFYI.

The story:

According to Fox News, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has resigned from office. New claims state that President Obama pressured the Secretary to resign.

Is it just me, or are the cabinet officials dropping like flies? Hillary, Holder, and two or three others I can't remember, and let's not forget the non-cabinet officials like the old Press Secretaries. What's going on? Is Obama installing puppets for this rumored 'imperial presidency'?

What did Obama not like about Hagel to pressure his resignation? Is it because Hagel is a Republican? Is it because Hagel is a veteran?

My opinion:

This is Obama's secularist theocracy taking root. First it's immigration "Reform" (imperial decree), next its pen-and-phone, IRS scandal, Fast and Furious...it's an attack on this nation! He's going to install secularist/Democrat puppets in office and take over this nation! Unless Congress stops him, all hail Secularist Theocratic Emperor Obama!

There are people on NS with common sense??? It's a damn miracle!!!

I see an error in your definition of common sense.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

What about elections for representatives? That's where the vote really counts. The vote for President is an affair of the whole nation, and should be looked at from that point of view. But elections of representatives, who specifically represent you - that's where the vote counts the most.

So the Democrats should've won the last two general elections?

I daresay we should however go back to the Constitution's original definition of senatorial elections. There was a time when senators were chosen by state legislatures. I quite like that idea. It gives state legislatures an actual voice in the national government.

So you're saying that we should change to a popular vote and have state legislatures make the decision for us.

Terribly inconsistent and inefficient. State legislatures are *state* legislatures for a reason. You sound like you oppose federal systems of local power and seek a more centralized government. Hardly the mark of the freedom-loving American you claim to be.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush after the re-count in Florida.

[Bratislavskaya]

Oh, here we go: a "Anyone who doesn't believe in God, and doesn't support extreme Christian policies in government is a scumbag" person.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

"Anyone who doesn't believe in God, and doesn't support extreme Christian policies in government is a scumbag"

Edited to reflect my values

[Communist Volkstrad]

"Anyone who doesn't believe in God, and doesn't support extreme Christian policies in government is a scumbag"

Edited to reflect my values

So you hold opinions like that, and yet denounce others for being "un-American"?

[Conserative Morality]

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush after the re-count in Florida.

And? I don't see how that's relevant to Democrats winning the popular vote.

[Simply Tyrone]

This is Obama's secularist theocracy taking root. First it's immigration "Reform" (imperial decree), next its pen-and-phone, IRS scandal, Fast and Furious...it's an attack on this nation! He's going to install secularist/Democrat puppets in office and take over this nation! Unless Congress stops him, all hail Secularist Theocratic Emperor Obama!

Dude, calm down, stop listening to Fox News and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

Nice jab at black stereotypes. Makes everything better.

smh

[Auroya]

...What did I just read?

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush after the re-count in Florida.

And? I don't see how that's relevant to Democrats winning the popular vote.

It was too close to call, hence the recount and the Supreme Court ruling. The small margin usually doesn't happen. Not really. In that case, though, it did. By the way, if voters had more confidence in the election system, I suspect we'd have a much bigger turnout, and, therefore, a more accurate gauge on what Americans really believe in.

[Anglo-California]

We're going to need a source, you know, on the bit about Chuck Hagel having a hatred for Israel. Republicans nominally support Israel. Democrats nominally support Palestine. Isn't that right?

Uhm, no. Both are pro-Israel. Just to varying degrees. Republicans fanatically so, and if documentaries that I've seen hold any truth, because many Evangelicals actually believe in the Holiness of Israel and its importance to the Second Coming of Jesus, something Israel has wisely taken advantage of; and Democrats less so, but still pro-Israel.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with overwhelming influence of Jewish corporate interest in the Republican Party. Nothing at all. Keep your head down and walk straight, goyim.

[Simply Tyrone]

Edited to reflect my values

So you hold opinions like that, and yet denounce others for being "un-American"?

That is American.

May I quote John Adams?

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

[Communist Volkstrad]

So you hold opinions like that, and yet denounce others for being "un-American"?

That is American.

May I quote John Adams?

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

According to the constitution itself, I would disagree.

[Conserative Morality]

It was too close to call, hence the recount and the Supreme Court ruling. The small margin usually doesn't happen. Not really. In that case, though, it did. By the way, if voters had more confidence in the election system, I suspect we'd have a much bigger turnout, and, therefore, a more accurate gauge on what Americans really believe in.

Gore won the popular vote by much more than the difference in the Florida recount, even in favor of Bush. Even with Florida called for Bush, Gore won by half a million votes. But he lost in the electoral college.

And lower voter turnouts favor Republicans. High voter turnouts favor liberals.

[Kelinfort]

And? I don't see how that's relevant to Democrats winning the popular vote.

It was too close to call, hence the recount and the Supreme Court ruling. The small margin usually doesn't happen. Not really. In that case, though, it did. By the way, if voters had more confidence in the election system, I suspect we'd have a much bigger turnout, and, therefore, a more accurate gauge on what Americans really believe in.

>too close to call
>wins nationally by 500,000 votes

Popular vote: Bush: 50,456,002 Gore: 50,999,897
Percentage 47.9% 48.4%

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... tion,_2000

[Conserative Morality]

That is American.

May I quote John Adams?

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

The same John Adams that forbid criticism of the Federal government under the Alien and Sedition Acts?

[Vassenor]

Oh, here we go: a "Anyone who doesn't believe in God, and doesn't support extreme Christian policies in government is a scumbag" person.

I believe in a God. Does that count?

[Greater Istanistan]

That's true, the secularists like to congregate in large, authoritarian cities. Conservatives who believe in property rights, privacy, and freedom, and therefore live in the country.

Actually, that's deeply untrue in almost all senses of the word. The Canadian Left was born among the land-holding farmers during the Great Depression. Maoists believe that revolution starts in the countryside, and that worked out nicely for them in China. Fidel Castro's fighters started in the rural areas and moved from there to the cities. One of the first great revolutionary egalitarian movements, the peasants who followed John Ball, were farmers. Ptolemaic Egypt had a long and relatively successful experiment in a form of state socialism as a means to boost agricultural productivity. Socialism and agrarianism have a long history.

Consider the fact that Thatcher, darling of the Right, was carried into office and held there by industrialized Southern England, and in particular cities such as London.

It doesn't work that way. Also, as an individual who lives in Canada's largest city, I don't feel oppressed.

[Bratislavskaya]

"Anyone who doesn't believe in God, and doesn't support extreme Christian policies in government is a scumbag"

Edited to reflect my values

And thus your opinion is invalid to the modern world of politics.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with overwhelming influence of Jewish corporate interest in the Republican Party. Nothing at all. Keep your head down and walk straight, goyim.

You think there's a Jewish conspiracy in the corporate world?