Transgender woman correctly buried as man?

[Purpelia]

Well from my perspective its simple really. The corpse does not care. Not any more. Corpses don't have feelings. So the ceremony of burial is something that obviously exists solely for the benefit of the people still alive. Thus what ever they want to do that makes them feel better about their loss is perfectly fine by me.

"please scatter my ashes on my child's grave it is very important to me"

*scatters ashes over landfill*

So what? I fail to see a point to your post.

I wish more people look you understand. Sadly, people still think that dead cells still need to be dressed as women.

It's because a lot of people cling to primitive notions of there being more to life than life. Even those that don't ordinarily admit it more often than not share the socially imposed conviction that for some strange reason the corpse is somehow still the person it was during life. I find the whole thing laughable.

As far as I am concerned I don't rightly care what happens to my corpse after I am dead. After all I won't exist. And existing is a fundamental requirement for caring.

[WestRedMaple]

Well clearly that wasn't the case because the family, the church, and the funeral home all bury the transgender individual as a man. So that's three groups that have all confirmed the person as a man. Therefore I refer to him as such using male pronouns.

Didn't the person legally change their gender though?

I've never had a single government form ask my gender in the first place, so there really is no way to legally change it

[Vassenor]

No, not always. It's more like:


Trans woman = a man designated male at birth but then decided to become a woman

Trans man = a woman designated female at birth but then decided to be a man

So the idea that someone's brain can be wired up in a different way to the quote-unquote "normal" doesn't occur to you.

[Simply Tyrone]

No, not always. It's more like:


Trans woman = a man designated male at birth but then decided to become a woman

Trans man = a woman designated female at birth but then decided to be a man

So the idea that someone's brain can be wired up in a different way to the quote-unquote "normal" doesn't occur to you.

Yeah, um, no. Some cases are like that, but other cases tend to have attention-seekers.

[Purpelia]

So the idea that someone's brain can be wired up in a different way to the quote-unquote "normal" doesn't occur to you.

Yeah, um, no. Some cases are like that, but other cases tend to have attention-seekers.

Does it really matter though? I mean, if acting like you are of a gender opposite to your own makes someone happy does it matter why it does so? It only becomes an issue if you feel that certain reasons are more worthy than others which is completely silly.

It basically comes from the silly sociolo-religious ideas that alternative sexualities and the like are somehow wrong and that these people must thus prove them self to be normal by finding (or making up) scientific proof that it's not their fault they are this way.

[Skinia]

At least you can say "she" died like a man.

Pffft. Good one.

[Papait]

He is a man, play simple.
While he may have been a transgender, he is still a woman.
He went through life as a women, and thats great because he felt comfortable like that.
But now he's death, and if his family or somebody else didn't want to feel the shame for him being transgender they shouldn't, he should be happy that they let him be a woman in life in the first place

[Purpelia]

But now he's death, and if his family or somebody else didn't want to feel the shame for him being transgender they shouldn't, he should be happy that they let him be a woman in life in the first place

Well actually "he" should not be happy about anything. As corpses are not alive and thus can't experience emotions.

[Nadkor]

He is a man, play simple.
While he may have been a transgender, he is still a woman.
He went through life as a women, and thats great because he felt comfortable like that.
But now he's death, and if his family or somebody else didn't want to feel the shame for him being transgender they shouldn't, he should be happy that they let him be a woman in life in the first place

I'm done.

This fucking place is a cesspit. It's disgusting.

It's all well and good having a safe space where people can express their opinions and be protected by the rules. But this - with the active endorsement of the mods, who should be ashamed of themselves - makes this a decidedly unsafe space for many, many people who outside of here face endless abuse, violence, sexual assault, and persecution every single day.

Plenty of people exercise their "right" to do this. I'm exercising my right to leave and never come back.

Enjoy your shithole of a forum full of people spewing forth hateful malevolent bile - things that hurt people, things that kill people - and regularly and openly denigrating, belittling, and abusing women, gay people, trans people, and whatever else, all permitted and protected in the name of "free speech".

[Dumb Ideologies]

He is a man, play simple.
While he may have been a transgender, he is still a woman.
He went through life as a women, and thats great because he felt comfortable like that.
But now he's death, and if his family or somebody else didn't want to feel the shame for him being transgender they shouldn't, he should be happy that they let him be a woman in life in the first place

I'm done.

This fucking place is a cesspit. It's disgusting.

It's all well and good having a safe space where people can express their opinions and be protected by the rules. But this - with the active endorsement of the mods, who should be ashamed of themselves - makes this a decidedly unsafe space for many, many people who outside of here face endless abuse, violence, sexual assault, and persecution every single day.

Plenty of people exercise their "right" to do this. I'm exercising my right to leave and never come back.

Enjoy your shithole of a forum full of people spewing forth hateful malevolent bile - things that hurt people, things that kill people - and regularly and openly denigrating, belittling, and abusing women, gay people, trans people, and whatever else, all permitted and protected in the name of "free speech".

Never a truer word spoken.

Rather than devoting their attention to picking up on trans people snapping back after provocation on an epic scale, moderators should put something more than a nominal effort into addressing the real offences going on in this thread and others. I would hope that they have at least some interest as long-time posters in this being a forum to be proud of, but we've had this exact same bloody issue far too many times without any real lessons being learned for me to retain much faith at this stage.

Prove me wrong, please.

[Buse]

There is nothing about to discuss here. Everything was alright.

[Alyakia]

There is nothing about to discuss here. Everything was alright.

clearly there is since we have so many pages

[Buse]

There is nothing about to discuss here. Everything was alright.

clearly there is since we have so many pages

From what I saw the usuall players are posting text whit esenitally the same message how the LGBTers are supposdly oppresed. The man is born as a man so there is no controversy about his buring.

[Alyakia]

clearly there is since we have so many pages

From what I saw the usuall players are posting text whit esenitally the same message how the LGBTers are supposdly oppresed. The man is born as a man so there is no controversy about his buring.

except there is because it almost definitely goes against what the person themselves would have wanted and the only argument against can be easily applied to all sorts of shit. if it doesn't matter what happens when they die, why not harvest them for parts? why not just destroy all the graveyards and make space?

[Buse]

From what I saw the usuall players are posting text whit esenitally the same message how the LGBTers are supposdly oppresed. The man is born as a man so there is no controversy about his buring.

except there is because it almost definitely goes against what the person themselves would have wanted and the only argument against can be easily applied to all sorts of shit. if it doesn't matter what happens when they die, why not harvest them for parts? why not just destroy all the graveyards and make space?

Look, is some shizophrenics thinks he is a dog and wants to be burried in a dog semitery that does not mean that does not mean that people should not burry him in a human graveyard despite what the dead have wanted. The same applies for this man.

I dont see the second question in any connection with this case.

[Alyakia]

except there is because it almost definitely goes against what the person themselves would have wanted and the only argument against can be easily applied to all sorts of shit. if it doesn't matter what happens when they die, why not harvest them for parts? why not just destroy all the graveyards and make space?

Look, is some shizophrenics thinks he is a dog and wants to be burried in a dog semitery that does not mean that does not mean that people should not burry him in a human graveyard despite what the dead have wanted. The same applies for this man.

I dont see the second question in any connection with this case.

show me a study showing a human with a brain closer to that of a dog than that of a human, analogous to studies showing the brains of female to male people having parts of their brain that more closely resemble what would be expected in a male than than female and vice versa for male to female and give me a few cases of humans being born in such a state it is hard to tell whether they are human or canine, again analogous to the countless cases of fuckups we see related to sex in the human body, and i will consider pretending that what you actually said was a valid point.

it would also be massively hypocritical for me having spoken many times about how peoples arguments get ignored because they cannot spell to comment on your liberal interpretation of the english language, but it has nonetheless been noted.

[Skinia]

except there is because it almost definitely goes against what the person themselves would have wanted and the only argument against can be easily applied to all sorts of shit. if it doesn't matter what happens when they die, why not harvest them for parts? why not just destroy all the graveyards and make space?

Look, is some shizophrenics thinks he is a dog and wants to be burried in a dog semitery that does not mean that does not mean that people should not burry him in a human graveyard despite what the dead have wanted. The same applies for this man.

I dont see the second question in any connection with this case.

Uh oh, you just went there.

Non-binary gender identities are nowhere close to schizophrenia.

[Buse]

show me a study showing a human with a brain closer to that of a dog than that of a human, analogous to studies showing the brains of female to male people having parts of their brain that more closely resemble what would be expected in a male than than female and vice versa for male to female and give me a few cases of humans being born in such a state it is hard to tell whether they are human or canine, again analogous to the countless cases of fuckups we see related to sex in the human body, and i will consider pretending that what you actually said was a valid point.

I dont have to as transgenderenism is classified as a mental illness in most countries in the world. So, we dont have to fullfy all wishes of a sick person.

it would also be massively hypocritical for me having spoken many times about how peoples arguments get ignored because they cannot spell to comment on your liberal interpretation of the english language, but it has nonetheless been noted.

That is not the debate here. I could also argue that Anglo-Saxons are to stupid to learn a foreign language so they are bulling us to learn their which is by the way disgusting. English sounds horrible.

[Skinia]

show me a study showing a human with a brain closer to that of a dog than that of a human, analogous to studies showing the brains of female to male people having parts of their brain that more closely resemble what would be expected in a male than than female and vice versa for male to female and give me a few cases of humans being born in such a state it is hard to tell whether they are human or canine, again analogous to the countless cases of fuckups we see related to sex in the human body, and i will consider pretending that what you actually said was a valid point.

I dont have to as transgenderenism is classified as a mental illness in most countries in the world. So, we dont have to fullfy all wishes of a sick person.

Fuck you. It's called gender dysphoria. That's the illness. Being transgender is not. Fucking get it right, people.

[Alyakia]

show me a study showing a human with a brain closer to that of a dog than that of a human, analogous to studies showing the brains of female to male people having parts of their brain that more closely resemble what would be expected in a male than than female and vice versa for male to female and give me a few cases of humans being born in such a state it is hard to tell whether they are human or canine, again analogous to the countless cases of fuckups we see related to sex in the human body, and i will consider pretending that what you actually said was a valid point.

I dont have to as transgenderenism is classified as a mental illness in most countries in the world. So, we dont have to fullfy all wishes of a sick person.

it would also be massively hypocritical for me having spoken many times about how peoples arguments get ignored because they cannot spell to comment on your liberal interpretation of the english language, but it has nonetheless been noted.

That is not the debate here. I could also argue that Anglo-Saxons are to stupid to learn a foreign language so they are bulling us to learn their which is by the way disgusting. English sounds horrible.

goddamn son you literally did not even read the article you just linked. not even the first paragraph. read the article.

[Buse]

I dont have to as transgenderenism is classified as a mental illness in most countries in the world. So, we dont have to fullfy all wishes of a sick person.

Fuck you. It's called gender dysphoria. That's the illness. Being transgender is not. Fucking get it right, people.

What? Gender indetity disorder=transsexualism.

[Skinia]

Fuck you. It's called gender dysphoria. That's the illness. Being transgender is not. Fucking get it right, people.

What? Gender indetity disorder=transsexualism.

No. Learn to fucking read. Gen-der dys-pho-ri-a.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Fuck you. It's called gender dysphoria. That's the illness. Being transgender is not. Fucking get it right, people.

What? Gender indetity disorder=transsexualism.

"Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones."
-The Wiki Page you just linked, plonker.

Really, burrial and mourning, the whole process the Western World has devised around it, is a way to remember the deceased. We remember who this person was, what he or she stood for, what they meant to us. To her friends, to her surroundings, to everyone she met, she was a woman. She changed that. She changed her body, her legal status, everything necessary. She changed into a woman. Her family not agreeing with that has no bearing on this whatsoever. They disfigured her to look like a man again, to serve their wishes. Had she been born a woman, stayed a woman, and then stuck into a man's suit, how would we feel about that? We would be horrified. Yet, when someone changed his or her legal status during his or her life, suddenly, different rules apply?

[Buse]

What? Gender indetity disorder=transsexualism.

No. Learn to fucking read. Gen-der dys-pho-ri-a.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/apa-s ... -the-name/

[Nei Pennsilfaani]

Fuck you. It's called gender dysphoria. That's the illness. Being transgender is not. Fucking get it right, people.

What? Gender indetity disorder=transsexualism.

Oh, shut the fuck up.

The official classification of gender dysphoria as a disorder in the DSM-5 may help resolve some of these issues, because the term "gender dysphoria" applies only to the discontent experienced by some persons resulting from gender identity issues

Perhaps you should educate yourself.

Gender dysphoria refers specifically to the discontent and anxiety experienced by transgender people. Being transgender is not in and of itself a mental disorder, as your own sources have stated.
Don't abuse psychology like this. It deserves better.