Specifically, he said that "he" wasn't there to destroy it.
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by Galloism » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:42 pm
by Greater Beggnig » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:43 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:And see, secularism is bad because it forces people to believe in millions of years and evolution. It also forces you to believe there is no God! Can you believe that?
by Immoren » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:43 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Genivaria wrote:That sounds nothing like Jesus at all.
orly?
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:43 pm
Galloism wrote:Communist Volkstrad wrote:I may have been informed of this in a simplified manner, what are the specifics on it?
Well, Jesus said he was there to "fulfill the law". He did say "he" wasn't there to destroy it.
Later, Paul said that basically the law didn't apply to Christians.
However, Jesus did prophecy that Jerusalem, and the temple, would be destroyed. When the temple was destroyed, it made the law an absolute impossibility to follow, as you could no longer perform ritual sacrifice at the temple (because it was destroyed).
So... depends on your interpretation I guess.
by Greater Beggnig » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:45 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:45 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, Jesus said he was there to "fulfill the law". He did say "he" wasn't there to destroy it.
Later, Paul said that basically the law didn't apply to Christians.
However, Jesus did prophecy that Jerusalem, and the temple, would be destroyed. When the temple was destroyed, it made the law an absolute impossibility to follow, as you could no longer perform ritual sacrifice at the temple (because it was destroyed).
So... depends on your interpretation I guess.
And yet jews are still a thing, claiming that the OT isn't total nonsense.
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by Galloism » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:46 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, Jesus said he was there to "fulfill the law". He did say "he" wasn't there to destroy it.
Later, Paul said that basically the law didn't apply to Christians.
However, Jesus did prophecy that Jerusalem, and the temple, would be destroyed. When the temple was destroyed, it made the law an absolute impossibility to follow, as you could no longer perform ritual sacrifice at the temple (because it was destroyed).
So... depends on your interpretation I guess.
And yet jews are still a thing, claiming that the OT isn't total nonsense.
by Flyover » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:46 pm
by Immoren » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:49 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, Jesus said he was there to "fulfill the law". He did say "he" wasn't there to destroy it.
Later, Paul said that basically the law didn't apply to Christians.
However, Jesus did prophecy that Jerusalem, and the temple, would be destroyed. When the temple was destroyed, it made the law an absolute impossibility to follow, as you could no longer perform ritual sacrifice at the temple (because it was destroyed).
So... depends on your interpretation I guess.
And yet jews are still a thing, claiming that the OT isn't total nonsense.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Dyakovo » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:50 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Galloism wrote:Well, Jesus said he was there to "fulfill the law". He did say "he" wasn't there to destroy it.
Later, Paul said that basically the law didn't apply to Christians.
However, Jesus did prophecy that Jerusalem, and the temple, would be destroyed. When the temple was destroyed, it made the law an absolute impossibility to follow, as you could no longer perform ritual sacrifice at the temple (because it was destroyed).
So... depends on your interpretation I guess.
And yet jews are still a thing, claiming that the OT isn't total nonsense.
by The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:53 pm
by Galloism » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:53 pm
The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:Dyakovo wrote:I fail to see how this is at all relevant...
What jews believing has no bearing on what christians believe and vice-versa.
If the destruction of the temple was good reason to abandon the OT, somebody forgot to tell the jews. My point that the abandonment of OT double-dose crazy has no biblical origin.
by Snakelan » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:55 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:And see, secularism is bad because it forces people to believe in millions of years and evolution. It also forces you to believe there is no God! Can you believe that?
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by Immoren » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:55 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by The New Velociraptor Empire » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:03 pm
by The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:05 pm
by Galloism » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:06 pm
by Immoren » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:11 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by The Merchant Republics » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:16 pm
by Pope Joan » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:16 pm
Immoren wrote:Bibliolatry is poisonous thing.
by Immoren » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:19 pm
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Jumalariik » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:49 pm
Communist Volkstrad wrote:Jumalariik wrote:You're simply wrong on every level.
I'm not proposing that we take the Middle East and Christianize it.
What I'm proposing is, that if Christians wish to live under Christian laws, they should be able to, and if heathens want to live under heathen laws they can. (My use of heathen is a joke, but the point still stands.) Strong decentralization. I don;t want to live in a society where nude people walk around in the streets, where I see people making out everywhere I turn my head, where churches have to marry gays, where people can have incestuous relations, if you do, that's fine. You can have an atheist society, I want a Christian one. Why not have a Cromwellian republic and a secular-anti Muslim country like France? Do all people have to live like you? Do all people have to live in a secular wet-dream?
What you are describing IS a Christianized Middle East in effect.
by Jumalariik » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:54 pm
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:Jumalariik wrote:You're simply wrong on every level.
I'm not proposing that we take the Middle East and Christianize it.
What I'm proposing is, that if Christians wish to live under Christian laws, they should be able to, and if heathens want to live under heathen laws they can. (My use of heathen is a joke, but the point still stands.) Strong decentralization. I don;t want to live in a society where nude people walk around in the streets, where I see people making out everywhere I turn my head, where churches have to marry gays, where people can have incestuous relations, if you do, that's fine. You can have an atheist society, I want a Christian one. Why not have a Cromwellian republic and a secular-anti Muslim country like France? Do all people have to live like you? Do all people have to live in a secular wet-dream?
BS learn the definition of secularism.
Nude people won't walk around on the streets, people making out is already normal deal with it, churches won't have to marry gays in a secular society, incestuous relationships? You do realize that it will be very rare to see one. And basically your saying segregation. Why should Atheists be forced to leave their home or other religions due to the Totalitarian, theocratic, government.
by Communist Volkstrad » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:58 pm
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