Ken Ham: New York Court May Grand "Personhood" to Chimpanzee

[Immoren]

It is one thing to give the Chimpanzee and other animals good living conditions, but another to grant it the status of a person.
Zoo-animals deserve good conditions, good food, good lives, but they should not be accepted as people. They are, as their title suggests, animals.

Humans are animals too.
Or at least myself am not a fungus or plant.
I think.

[Grenartia]

I'm not sure if I would go for the "personhood" definition, but I would certainly agree that chimpanzees and many other animals for that matter ought to be ensured a right to bodily autonomy and freedom from unnecessary harm.

Personally, I'd say animal rights should be conditionally recognized on the basis of the intelligence of the species in question.

[The Grey Wolf]

By the way, the Bible says that humans are created in God's image, and that we rule over animals.

Ge. 1:27 - So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Ge. 1:28 - God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.

(Emphasis mine)

The Bible also says that a woman who doesn't scream loud enough while being raped is a dirty slut and you should stone her.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Ken Ham is the fraudster isn't he? Can't say I give his opinions on anything any weight.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

I literally can not handle Archeuland's and Ken Ham's bullshit this early in the morning.

Chimpanzees are our closest cousins. They are as human as they can be, while not being human. They're also extremely intelligent animals, and can beat humans in several aspects.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Ken Ham is the fraudster isn't he? Can't say I give his opinions on anything any weight.

I don't think he's a fraudster. He's the one with the creationist museum and he also "debated" with Bill Nye.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ken Ham is the fraudster isn't he? Can't say I give his opinions on anything any weight.

I don't think he's a fraudster. He's the one with the creationist museum and he also "debated" with Bill Nye.

I think you mean he was embarrassed by Bill Nye.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ken Ham is the fraudster isn't he? Can't say I give his opinions on anything any weight.

Kent Hovind is currently serving jail time for fraud, is he who you're thinking of?

[L Ron Cupboard]

Ken Ham is the fraudster isn't he? Can't say I give his opinions on anything any weight.

Kent Hovind is currently serving jail time for fraud, is he who you're thinking of?

Ah that must be it.

[The Grey Wolf]

Ken Ham is the fraudster isn't he? Can't say I give his opinions on anything any weight.

Kent Hovind is currently serving jail time for fraud, is he who you're thinking of?

That's who I thought he was referring to.

Either way, they're both hams.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

I don't think he's a fraudster. He's the one with the creationist museum and he also "debated" with Bill Nye.

I think you mean he was embarrassed by Bill Nye.

Yup.

[Grenartia]

I don't think he's a fraudster. He's the one with the creationist museum and he also "debated" with Bill Nye.

I think you mean he was embarrassed by Bill Nye.

That's pretty much Bill Nye's SOP.

[Dyakovo]

It is one thing to give the Chimpanzee and other animals good living conditions, but another to grant it the status of a person.
Zoo-animals deserve good conditions, good food, good lives, but they should not be accepted as people. They are, as their title suggests, animals.

Humans are also animals.

[Ainin]

Are we talking about legal personhood or actual, living personhood?

If it's the former, I have no problem with it, but I have severe doubts on how a chimpanzee can sign a contract.

[Ethel mermania]

Are we talking about legal personhood or actual, living personhood?

If it's the former, I have no problem with it, but I have severe doubts on how a chimpanzee can sign a contract.

500 bananas a month or the poo starts flying !

[Republic of Coldwater]

Chimpanzees are not humans. They may be our very distant cousins, but humans are far more intelligent and overall superior to Chimpanzees. While we built great cities on six out of the seven continents, the Chimpanzees sit there on their trees and practicing their old traditions. While we make scientific breakthroughs, the chimpanzees continue to use their primitive tools. We, the human race are more logical and intelligent and thus deserve all of the human rights, while the chimpanzees are less intelligent and unable to manage or even understand human rights, which basically gives no reason for the giving of human rights for chimpanzees.

[Immoren]

Chimpanzees are not humans. They may be our very distant cousins, but humans are far more intelligent and overall superior to Chimpanzees. While we built great cities on six out of the seven continents, the Chimpanzees sit there on their trees and practicing their old traditions. While we make scientific breakthroughs, the chimpanzees continue to use their primitive tools. We, the human race are more logical and intelligent and thus deserve all of the human rights, while the chimpanzees are less intelligent and unable to manage or even understand human rights, which basically gives no reason for the giving of human rights for chimpanzees.

Would/should/ought human rights extend to other species of homo if they lived today?
Or Australopithecus for that matter?

[Dyakovo]

Chimpanzees are not humans. They may be our very distant cousins, but humans are far more intelligent and overall superior to Chimpanzees. While we built great cities on six out of the seven continents, the Chimpanzees sit there on their trees and practicing their old traditions. While we make scientific breakthroughs, the chimpanzees continue to use their primitive tools. We, the human race are more logical and intelligent and thus deserve all of the human rights, while the chimpanzees are less intelligent and unable to manage or even understand human rights, which basically gives no reason for the giving of human rights for chimpanzees.

No-one is saying they are human, nor is this case about actually granting human rights to chimpanzees.

[Mavorpen]

Assuming this was actually about giving some rights to chimpanzees, I would support that as we give rights to very young children/toddlers.

[Mavorpen]

By the way, the Bible says that humans are created in God's image, and that we rule over animals.

Ge. 1:27 - So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Ge. 1:28 - God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.

(Emphasis mine)

This is relevant how?

I want to make this entirely clear: Archeuland had no purpose in NSG other than self masturbatory to posting as much shit about the Bible and God as he can. Any topic that really has jack shit to do with the Bible, he'll find a way to make it about the Bible. He isn't interested in real debate or discussion. He just wants to post nonsense, go through the obligatory evangelical talking points and throw laughably stupid cheap shots at evolution, then leave and do it again in another thread.

So next time you think about asking "how is this relevant" when replying to him, keep in mind you already know the answer: it just plain isn't.

[Ainin]

Chimpanzees are not humans. They may be our very distant cousins, but humans are far more intelligent and overall superior to Chimpanzees. While we built great cities on six out of the seven continents, the Chimpanzees sit there on their trees and practicing their old traditions. While we make scientific breakthroughs, the chimpanzees continue to use their primitive tools. We, the human race are more logical and intelligent and thus deserve all of the human rights, while the chimpanzees are less intelligent and unable to manage or even understand human rights, which basically gives no reason for the giving of human rights for chimpanzees.

I honestly have no idea whether this is serious or just a parody of white supremacism and scientific racism.

[Dyakovo]

Assuming this was actually about giving some rights to chimpanzees, I would support that as we give rights to very young children/toddlers.

Which is indeed what it's about.

[Benuty]

This isn't Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

Exactly. That movie isn't realistic.

If it were realistic, we would just gun them all down before we'd even have to bring in the tanks, airplanes, and artillery...

The virus kill 9 out of every 10 people not to mention much of the remainder of humanity died in the various wars which broke out.

The books which server as canon between the movies pretty much set this up.

[Archegnum]

As do I! What about the Ark Encounter, have you heard of it?

Yes I might decide to visit the USA one day just to see that, and the Creation Museum. Apparently, the would also like to construct other awesome stuff like a Tower of Babel etc.

[Othelos]

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