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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:46 am

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Haktiva wrote:yeah, women are more prone to be victims of sexual crimes while men are more prone to be victims of violent crime.

It depends on context, honestly. I still believe there needs to be a harsh punishment for a false rape allegation.


In-fact, there needs to be a harsh punishment for any false accusation of any kind.

There already is.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:47 am

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Haktiva wrote:they can test the woman who forced him to penetrate for the victim's semen I suppose. Then again, I heard that female rapists are more prone to using objects aside form their own bodies, so I guess the only way for men not to get raped by a woman is to not be near them. or check their drinks, or be around people they trust at parties. or learn some self-control so they don't get too fucked up and end up in that situation.

This is ludicrous. Even so, male rape is even rarer than female rape, unless you include prison rape, which also needs to be eradicated. But what you propose is complete and total fear.

I propose common sense and responsibility for one's self. If that scares you, not much I can do about it.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:47 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Brillnuck wrote:
In-fact, there needs to be a harsh punishment for any false accusation of any kind.

There already is.

example?
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:48 am

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keep this somewhat on topic please.

Amusing coming from you...
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:50 am

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Haktiva wrote:keep this somewhat on topic please.

Amusing coming from you...

:p
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:51 am

Haktiva wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:This is ludicrous. Even so, male rape is even rarer than female rape, unless you include prison rape, which also needs to be eradicated. But what you propose is complete and total fear.

I propose common sense and responsibility for one's self. If that scares you, not much I can do about it.

No, this only serves to encourage fear. You're suggesting not only victim blaming, but a huge amount of paranoia to a problem that is much less exaggerated in the civilian population.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:52 am

Haktiva wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:This is ludicrous. Even so, male rape is even rarer than female rape, unless you include prison rape, which also needs to be eradicated. But what you propose is complete and total fear.

I propose common sense and responsibility for one's self. If that scares you, not much I can do about it.


No, what you're suggesting is that we as men should just not be near women in any way whatsoever because we have to live in constant paranoia that they might rape us.

Which is as absurd as saying women should be paranoid about us raping them and therefore they should not be near any guys.

We should be cautious, yes, but I don't think paranoia is the way to go here.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:55 am

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Haktiva wrote:I propose common sense and responsibility for one's self. If that scares you, not much I can do about it.

No, this only serves to encourage fear. You're suggesting not only victim blaming, but a huge amount of paranoia to a problem that is much less exaggerated in the civilian population.

So how can people not be afraid when it's being touted that in in 4 women will be sexually assaulted while in college, yet women make up the majority of college students? I would argue the ones who want you to be afraid are the ones screeching the 1 in 4 lie.

And how do I blame victims? Often times they aren't responsible for the motivations of their rapist, but there are indeed steps they can take to defend themselves and prevent this crap form happening to them?
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Postby Sanctissima » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:58 am

Eh, simple solution, really.

Just castrate perpetrators.

Of course, you'll have to make doubly sure that they actually committed the crime (and seduction wouldn't count as rape), but the punishment would be fitting, and discourage other rapists.

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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:58 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I propose common sense and responsibility for one's self. If that scares you, not much I can do about it.


No, what you're suggesting is that we as men should just not be near women in any way whatsoever because we have to live in constant paranoia that they might rape us.

Which is as absurd as saying women should be paranoid about us raping them and therefore they should not be near any guys.

We should be cautious, yes, but I don't think paranoia is the way to go here.

Well avoiding all women is the most surefire way to avoid that problem, not that I really advocate for it, but most people can't tell when I'm being sarcastic.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:58 am

Haktiva wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:No, this only serves to encourage fear. You're suggesting not only victim blaming, but a huge amount of paranoia to a problem that is much less exaggerated in the civilian population.

So how can people not be afraid when it's being touted that in in 4 women will be sexually assaulted while in college, yet women make up the majority of college students? I would argue the ones who want you to be afraid are the ones screeching the 1 in 4 lie.

And how do I blame victims? Often times they aren't responsible for the motivations of their rapist, but there are indeed steps they can take to defend themselves and prevent this crap form happening to them?

What? I have no idea what you're getting at, and quite frankly, that sounds downright paranoid.

You're blaming victims by suggesting if people are not downright paranoid and fearful of every time they come into contact with a woman that they will get raped, that they're somehow at fault. Again, this is absurd, considering way less men get raped outside of prison.

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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:59 am

Sanctissima wrote:Eh, simple solution, really.

Just castrate perpetrators.

Of course, you'll have to make doubly sure that they actually committed the crime (and seduction wouldn't count as rape), but the punishment would be fitting, and discourage other rapists.

can women be castrated?
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Postby Sanctissima » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:00 am

Haktiva wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:Eh, simple solution, really.

Just castrate perpetrators.

Of course, you'll have to make doubly sure that they actually committed the crime (and seduction wouldn't count as rape), but the punishment would be fitting, and discourage other rapists.

can women be castrated?


Sort of. Instead of the testicles, it involves the uterus.

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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:00 am

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Haktiva wrote:So how can people not be afraid when it's being touted that in in 4 women will be sexually assaulted while in college, yet women make up the majority of college students? I would argue the ones who want you to be afraid are the ones screeching the 1 in 4 lie.

And how do I blame victims? Often times they aren't responsible for the motivations of their rapist, but there are indeed steps they can take to defend themselves and prevent this crap form happening to them?

What? I have no idea what you're getting at, and quite frankly, that sounds downright paranoid.

You're blaming victims by suggesting if people are not downright paranoid and fearful of every time they come into contact with a woman that they will get raped, that they're somehow at fault. Again, this is absurd, considering way less men get raped outside of prison.

I have problems telling if people are being sarcastic thought text as well.
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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:00 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Haktiva wrote:can women be castrated?


Sort of. Instead of the testicles, it involves the uterus.

works for me.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:01 am

Haktiva wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What? I have no idea what you're getting at, and quite frankly, that sounds downright paranoid.

You're blaming victims by suggesting if people are not downright paranoid and fearful of every time they come into contact with a woman that they will get raped, that they're somehow at fault. Again, this is absurd, considering way less men get raped outside of prison.

I have problems telling if people are being sarcastic thought text as well.

With you, I can't tell if you're in reality or high. Sarcasm aside, those ideas make no logical sense.

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Postby Haktiva » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:03 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I have problems telling if people are being sarcastic thought text as well.

With you, I can't tell if you're in reality or high. Sarcasm aside, those ideas make no logical sense.

You want my real solution to the problem? There is none that doesn't violate people's right to privacy and their own body as far as I can tell.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:05 am

Yalos wrote:We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.


I...LIKE BIG BUTTS.

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Postby Sanctissima » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:08 am

Vamtrl wrote:
Yalos wrote:We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.


I...LIKE BIG BUTTS.


People should be allowed to be as horny as they want.

But no unconsented sex.

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Postby NoblePhnx » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:10 am

Saying that men should be less obsessed with boobs contradicts the evolution and procreation fueled nature of men.
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Postby Galactic Assembly of Free Planets » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:12 am

Yalos wrote:Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

I like big boobs...AND I CAN-NOT LIE.

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Postby NoblePhnx » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:12 am

Galactic Assembly of Free Planets wrote:
Yalos wrote:Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.

I like big boobs...AND I CAN-NOT LIE.

Only because evolution compels you emiright? ;)
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Postby Galactic Assembly of Free Planets » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:16 am

NoblePhnx wrote:
Galactic Assembly of Free Planets wrote:I like big boobs...AND I CAN-NOT LIE.

Only because evolution compels you emiright? ;)

Possibly. Either that or porn.

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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:17 am

Yalos wrote:Statistics don't support rape culture?

Great.

We should still teach our men to be less obsessed with boobs. There's definitely an issue with that.


"teach" lol wtf. I like how you're acting as if it's some universal moral standard all men should follow not to be obsessed with boobs.

I've always considered myself an ass guy btw

EDIT: By the way, natural boobs will *always* be better than fake boobs. Natural breasts simply have a healthy and good looking slight natural sag to them, whereas fake boobs generally look like 2 balls superglued to a woman's chest.
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Postby NoblePhnx » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:18 am

Galactic Assembly of Free Planets wrote:
NoblePhnx wrote:Only because evolution compels you emiright? ;)

Possibly. Either that or porn.

or love which is another word for procreation
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