Statistics Don't Support Rape Culture

[Brillnuck]

I think rape of all genders by all genders exist but male on female rape is the most common.

yeah, women are more prone to be victims of sexual crimes while men are more prone to be victims of violent crime.

It depends on context, honestly. I still believe there needs to be a harsh punishment for a false rape allegation.

In-fact, there needs to be a harsh punishment for any false accusation of any kind.

[Haktiva]

yeah, women are more prone to be victims of sexual crimes while men are more prone to be victims of violent crime.

It depends on context, honestly. I still believe there needs to be a harsh punishment for a false rape allegation.

In-fact, there needs to be a harsh punishment for any false accusation of any kind.

I say what the accused would have gotten if there was a conviction.

[Firsthome]

Brill. How are you pro enviromnent and the GOP? The GOP politicians hate the enviromentm

[Haktiva]

yeah, women are more prone to be victims of sexual crimes while men are more prone to be victims of violent crime.

It depends on context, honestly. I still believe there needs to be a harsh punishment for a false rape allegation.

I agree, but less harsh than a rape sentence

And I know it happens, but how do you prove you were raped by a girl?

same way a woman proves she was raped by a guy I guess.

[Haktiva]

Brill. How are you pro enviromnent and the GOP? The GOP politicians hate the enviromentm

keep this somewhat on topic please.

[Brillnuck]

Brill. How are you pro enviromnent and the GOP? The GOP politicians hate the enviromentm

I mean anti-monarchism.

I hate the GOP. I'd rather vote for the American Green Party than to live under them..

[Firsthome]

I agree, but less harsh than a rape sentence

And I know it happens, but how do you prove you were raped by a girl?

same way a woman proves she was raped by a guy I guess.

For women they use semen testing, for one.

Women don't have semen to test

[Haktiva]

In our post modern society of secularization of men and women, there will be a rape culture. For example, drugs and alcohol with the media promoting hypersexualization of young people and fashions that dictate immodest in our society dod contribute to rape culture. The Principality of Savante stance on rape culture is to reject sexualization of men and women and to borrow different cultural practices of modesty and restraint without losing ones sense of individual uniqeness. We highly discourage alcohol and hard core drugs but not illegal, and night clubs and bars.

This is NSG, not a roleplaying forum, and drugs and alcohol are not the issue. Getting fucked up doesn't excuse a rapist and being fucked up doesn't make a victim any more deserving.

thanks for that. I still find it funny how people get mad at you when you try to get them advice so that they can be safe. I really don't understand that mindset.

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

I agree, but less harsh than a rape sentence

And I know it happens, but how do you prove you were raped by a girl?

same way a woman proves she was raped by a guy I guess.

Problematic, as DNA transfer through sex is largely a one-way affair, and the overwhelming majority of investigative techniques can be applied solely to women who have been raped by men. It isn't a simple matter.

[Haktiva]

same way a woman proves she was raped by a guy I guess.

For women they use semen testing, for one.

Women don't have semen to test

they can test the woman who forced him to penetrate for the victim's semen I suppose. Then again, I heard that female rapists are more prone to using objects aside form their own bodies, so I guess the only way for men not to get raped by a woman is to not be near them. or check their drinks, or be around people they trust at parties. or learn some self-control so they don't get too fucked up and end up in that situation.

[Kelinfort]

For women they use semen testing, for one.

Women don't have semen to test

they can test the woman who forced him to penetrate for the victim's semen I suppose. Then again, I heard that female rapists are more prone to using objects aside form their own bodies, so I guess the only way for men not to get raped by a woman is to not be near them. or check their drinks, or be around people they trust at parties. or learn some self-control so they don't get too fucked up and end up in that situation.

This is ludicrous. Even so, male rape is even rarer than female rape, unless you include prison rape, which also needs to be eradicated. But what you propose is complete and total fear.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Two very annoying recurring themes in people constantly debating against "rape culture" and other some such seem to be hypersensibility regarding rape jokes and more importantly the constant and relentless labeling of all anti-rape measures "on the victim's side", so to speak, as implicit "victim blaming". OP makes a good example of this with them being unhappy about roofie-sensitive nail polish ; any suggestion regarding a way of preventing rape that includes the victim will invariably be called either victim blaming or "not the right way to go about things" , for reasons they have yet to explain.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

I'm okay with a woman wearing short shorts.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

You want to be careful not to oversimplify this, as advanced waring.

Also the link in the article that claims "Statistics surrounding sexual assault are notoriously unreliable" doesn't work.

Also to this bit:

But is it accurate? Statistics surrounding sexual assault are notoriously unreliable and inconsistent, primarily because of vague and expansive definitions of what qualifies as sexual assault. Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute explains that the study often cited as the origin of the "one in five" factoid is an online survey conducted under a grant from the Justice Department. Surveyors employed such a broad definition that "'forced kissing" and even "attempted forced kissing" qualified as sexual assault.

I would indeed consider those things sexual assault.

Also, this article seems to focus upon the inadequacy of the sexual assault tribunals at universities, rather than disproving rape culture.

I like how easy "sexual assault" is thrown about, what exactly is sexual about being kissed? Do spontaneous hugs count as sexual assault as well?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

WTF nooooooooooo.

mmmhmmm

[The Union of Tentacles and Grapes]

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

WTF nooooooooooo.

mmmhmmm

ERMAGERD MY EYESSSSS!!!!!
BAN SHORT SHORTS IMMEDIATELY!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Two very annoying recurring themes in people constantly debating against "rape culture" and other some such seem to be hypersensibility regarding rape jokes and more importantly the constant and relentless labeling of all anti-rape measures "on the victim's side", so to speak, as implicit "victim blaming". OP makes a good example of this with them being unhappy about roofie-sensitive nail polish ; any suggestion regarding a way of preventing rape that includes the victim will invariably be called either victim blaming or "not the right way to go about things" , for reasons they have yet to explain.

I think it's mostly because that the people who say it is "victim blaming" do say it is victim blaming because these solutions are victim oriented.

Which I understand from a security standpoint. In computers, the best solution is not to just secure your system, it's to actually crack down on malicious programmers hard. However, we can't really do that, so instead we devise ways for the systems to be less vulnerable to attacks.

The main issue with "victim blaming" or offering products so potential victims can protect themselves is precisely that. That giving potential victims the tools to not be harassed is a patchwork solution, while ignoring that the best solution is cracking down on rape and its manifestations.

[Firsthome]

That guy looks stupid in that, and that girl would look better in jeans

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That guy looks stupid in that, and that girl would look better in jeans

I honestly don't see any issues with her clothing

[Firsthome]

I like it when girls are brave enough to not conform, and wear jeans, and t shirts that aren't absurdly tight

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Two very annoying recurring themes in people constantly debating against "rape culture" and other some such seem to be hypersensibility regarding rape jokes and more importantly the constant and relentless labeling of all anti-rape measures "on the victim's side", so to speak, as implicit "victim blaming". OP makes a good example of this with them being unhappy about roofie-sensitive nail polish ; any suggestion regarding a way of preventing rape that includes the victim will invariably be called either victim blaming or "not the right way to go about things" , for reasons they have yet to explain.

I think it's mostly because that the people who say it is "victim blaming" do say it is victim blaming because these solutions are victim oriented.

Which I understand from a security standpoint. In computers, the best solution is not to just secure your system, it's to actually crack down on malicious programmers hard. However, we can't really do that, so instead we devise ways for the systems to be less vulnerable to attacks.

The main issue with "victim blaming" or offering products so potential victims can protect themselves is precisely that. That giving potential victims the tools to not be harassed is a patchwork solution, while ignoring that the best solution is cracking down on rape and its manifestations.

The best solution is to do both things. And this applies to all crimes not just rape.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I like it when girls are brave enough to not conform, and wear jeans, and t shirts that aren't absurdly tight

Women actually dress like that sometimes.

It just means having variety.

[Dyakovo]

[citation needed]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2012/false-allegations-of-adult-crimes

Your sources don't support your claim.

[Dyakovo]

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

Nice victim blaming.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I like it when girls are brave enough to not conform, and wear jeans, and t shirts that aren't absurdly tight

i cannot disagree more, sir.

leggings are pants and that is it.