Statistics Don't Support Rape Culture

[Haktiva]

Rape culture is where it's normal and acceptable for someone to be raped, not reviled and punishable by a knee-jerk reaction for blood. Rape against women is pretty much universally viewed as reprehensible(a sentiment I share).

When a man is raped, that's much more acceptable according to society(if it happens in prison they deserve it, if it's done by a woman he's luckily, etc). If anything there's a rape culture against men, since nobody seems to give a shit about them. Plus most men are to proud or stupid to admit weakness and vulnerability.

Most men.
I'm not proud, or stupid

EMALT
(Enough Men Are Like That)

[Firsthome]

Want to know why I don't care if girls wear short shorts?

Because I like emo girls

[Dyakovo]

Plus what happens a lot is that a girl will cheat of her boyfriend or whatever and then she'll cry rape if she's worried about getting caught.

[citation needed]

[Firsthome]

Indeed. I'd much rather prefer if the short shorts, revealing shirts and skimpy outfits were replaced with cardigan sweaters and monogram blouses.

That would be a dream, we can make it happen.

In response to this

[Avenio]

is this what you were talking about?

The Daily Heil is a journal of medical demographics now? Who knew!

I remember that Op. Honestly this isn't doing anything to convince me of a rape culture. What those guys did to that girl was obviously horrible, but obviously people were fucking pissed when they found out about it. Rape culture would imply that would have been brushed under the rug or even celebrated by a significant portion of the population.

Criticism has also been placed upon media outlets themselves, especially CNN, for their biased coverage of the case.[10] During the course of the delinquent verdict on March 17, 2013, CNN's Poppy Harlow stated that it was "Incredibly difficult, even for an outsider like me, to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students, literally watched as they believed their lives fell apart...when that sentence came down, [Ma'lik] collapsed in the arms of his attorney...He said to him, 'My life is over. No one is going to want me now.'" Candy Crowley and Paul Callan were also criticized for their lack of focus on the victim and their sympathy for the rapists.[11][12][13][14][15]

Even without much official public information about the night, some people in town are skeptical of the police account, like Nate Hubbard, a Big Red volunteer coach.

As he stood in the shadow of Harding Stadium, where he once dazzled the crowd with his runs, Hubbard gave voice to some of the popular, if harsh, suspicions.

“The rape was just an excuse, I think,” said the 27-year-old Hubbard, who is No. 2 on the Big Red’s career rushing list.

“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” said Hubbard, who is one of the team’s 19 coaches. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”

etc etc

I define sexual assault and rape differently. In prison, it's pretty much all gonna be rape. sexual assault can mean anything remotely sexual without consent. You said yourself that you make no distinction, so we're not gonna find common ground here.

Probably not. Cherrypicking cases tends not to reflect well when compared with a reality-based approach.

So barring someone from being allowed to face their accuser is perfectly acceptable when it comes to rape? Doesn't seem right to me.

It's perfectly right. You don't haul a victim of a mugging in front of a potential suspect where the suspect can see them, and that applies just as much to sexual assault.

[Norstal]

The same way Malala Yousafzai became a symbolic icon to empower girls everywhere in Pakistan or even the whole Middle East?

I'm not really sure what you're arguing here. Sure, our species is inherently patriarchal, but there's no reason why one shouldn't try to fight it, regardless if it's futile. Are you saying what the NAACP is useless because racism will never be eliminated since it's inherent in everyone? That's kind of absurd. They may not completely eliminate racism, just as no one can eliminate gender discrimination, but they can get close to it by believing it's achievable.

I didn't see you talking about relief aid or whatever. All you said is that patriarchy is inherent, which is true. But you also argued that "you're gonna have to join up with several other groups and pack your bags to the Middle Eats and Africa" if you want to eliminate patriarchy for good, which is something I disagree with. There's no reason why the NAACP, the Southern Law Poverty Center, or the ACLU to move to other countries where they need them more, especially when the problems they're fighting against still persist in America.

:Head Desk:

Make it stop, please...just make it stop...

You first.

No...I am saying that you should try to change shit, just in the Middle East.

And sure, issues still exist in America, but other places need it as well, and its going to talk a cultural change to get results that mean things in the long run.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say anymore.

[Norstal]

I figure as much, but I kinda want the OP to define it themselves. They're probably confused or something.

Rape culture is where it's normal and acceptable for someone to be raped, not reviled and punishable by a knee-jerk reaction for blood. Rape against women is pretty much universally viewed as reprehensible(a sentiment I share).

When a man is raped, that's much more acceptable according to society(if it happens in prison they deserve it, if it's done by a woman he's luckily, etc). If anything there's a rape culture against men, since nobody seems to give a shit about them. Plus most men are to proud or stupid to admit weakness and vulnerability.

The definition of rape culture doesn't seem to be confined to just women. Or in other words, you do agree there's a rape culture existing. So why wouldn't you say rape culture exist except men are more likely to be victims?

[Haktiva]

Rape culture is where it's normal and acceptable for someone to be raped, not reviled and punishable by a knee-jerk reaction for blood. Rape against women is pretty much universally viewed as reprehensible(a sentiment I share).

When a man is raped, that's much more acceptable according to society(if it happens in prison they deserve it, if it's done by a woman he's luckily, etc). If anything there's a rape culture against men, since nobody seems to give a shit about them. Plus most men are to proud or stupid to admit weakness and vulnerability.

The definition of rape culture doesn't seem to be confined to just women. Or in other words, you do agree there's a rape culture existing. So why wouldn't you say rape culture exist except men are more likely to be victims?

When it's talked about, most people assume it's in the context of men vs. women. women are the most privileged and protected class in the west, I don't think they have much of anything to worry about.

[Haktiva]

The Daily Heil is a journal of medical demographics now? Who knew!

That's a bit dated, but valid. Of course, there's still the matter of how rape is reacted to depending on the victim. Not to mention how many false accusations are thrown at innocent men, which makes it hard to believe if an actual victim is telling the truth.

I remember that Op. Honestly this isn't doing anything to convince me of a rape culture. What those guys did to that girl was obviously horrible, but obviously people were fucking pissed when they found out about it. Rape culture would imply that would have been brushed under the rug or even celebrated by a significant portion of the population.

Criticism has also been placed upon media outlets themselves, especially CNN, for their biased coverage of the case.[10] During the course of the delinquent verdict on March 17, 2013, CNN's Poppy Harlow stated that it was "Incredibly difficult, even for an outsider like me, to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students, literally watched as they believed their lives fell apart...when that sentence came down, [Ma'lik] collapsed in the arms of his attorney...He said to him, 'My life is over. No one is going to want me now.'" Candy Crowley and Paul Callan were also criticized for their lack of focus on the victim and their sympathy for the rapists.[11][12][13][14][15]

Even without much official public information about the night, some people in town are skeptical of the police account, like Nate Hubbard, a Big Red volunteer coach.

As he stood in the shadow of Harding Stadium, where he once dazzled the crowd with his runs, Hubbard gave voice to some of the popular, if harsh, suspicions.

“The rape was just an excuse, I think,” said the 27-year-old Hubbard, who is No. 2 on the Big Red’s career rushing list.

“What else are you going to tell your parents when you come home drunk like that and after a night like that?” said Hubbard, who is one of the team’s 19 coaches. “She had to make up something. Now people are trying to blow up our football program because of it.”

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I don't listen to the mainstream media for much of anything. They're full of shit and always pushing an agenda. Plus that featured people close to the accused and the case itself. The outside was reaction overwhelmingly condemning of what had happened to her. To think that society at large accepts the idea of female rape is delusional.

Probably not. Cherrypicking cases tends not to reflect well when compared with a reality-based approach.

So what was that about Stuebenville?

It's perfectly right. You don't haul a victim of a mugging in front of a potential suspect where the suspect can see them, and that applies just as much to sexual assault.

No, you do that at the trial. They way you seem to think, women should just be allowed to finger anyone and they go to jail right away.

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The definition of rape culture doesn't seem to be confined to just women. Or in other words, you do agree there's a rape culture existing. So why wouldn't you say rape culture exist except men are more likely to be victims?

When it's talked about, most people assume it's in the context of men vs. women. women are the most privileged and protected class in the west, I don't think they have much of anything to worry about.

Even so, that's no reason to deny the existence of rape culture - something which is very harmful to male victims.

Example: a nearby private high school just saw a coach arrested for forcing male students to strip and molesting them. Immediately I heard people say "why would high school seniors who are basically full grown men go along with that" victim blaming. An element of rape culture is dismissed and male victims suffer because of that.

[Haktiva]

Plus what happens a lot is that a girl will cheat of her boyfriend or whatever and then she'll cry rape if she's worried about getting caught.

[citation needed]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2012/false-allegations-of-adult-crimes

[Haktiva]

When it's talked about, most people assume it's in the context of men vs. women. women are the most privileged and protected class in the west, I don't think they have much of anything to worry about.

Even so, that's no reason to deny the existence of rape culture - something which is very harmful to male victims.

Example: a nearby private high school just saw a coach arrested for forcing male students to strip and molesting them. Immediately I heard people say "why would high school seniors who are basically full grown men go along with that" victim blaming. An element of rape culture is dismissed and male victims suffer because of that.

That's a valid point. Of course, it doesn't really go with the mainstream narrative of an epidemic of male on female rape. Most people don't seem to get too riled up when you compare a male victim to a female victim.

[Brillnuck]

we should also teach women to not dress like sluts by that logic.

Indeed. I'd much rather prefer if the short shorts, revealing shirts and skimpy outfits were replaced with cardigan sweaters and monogram blouses.

Agreed.

There needs to be very severe punishments for rape. One can get jailed and then released, or kept for life. Why spend money on them, when you can just execute.

Why do people think short clothes=hot. It's just disgusting.

Male rape happens too. Yet I don't see anything concerning it on the news.

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Even so, that's no reason to deny the existence of rape culture - something which is very harmful to male victims.

Example: a nearby private high school just saw a coach arrested for forcing male students to strip and molesting them. Immediately I heard people say "why would high school seniors who are basically full grown men go along with that" victim blaming. An element of rape culture is dismissed and male victims suffer because of that.

That's a valid point. Of course, it doesn't really go with the mainstream narrative of an epidemic of male on female rape. Most people don't seem to get too riled up when you compare a male victim to a female victim.

I think rape of all genders by all genders exist but male on female rape is the most common.

[Firsthome]

Indeed. I'd much rather prefer if the short shorts, revealing shirts and skimpy outfits were replaced with cardigan sweaters and monogram blouses.

Agreed.

There needs to be very severe punishments for rape. One can get jailed and then released, or kept for life. Why spend money on them, when you can just execute.

Why do people think short clothes=hot. It's just disgusting.

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

[Principality of Savante]

In our post modern society of secularization of men and women, there will be a rape culture. For example, drugs and alcohol with the media promoting hypersexualization of young people and fashions that dictate immodest in our society dod contribute to rape culture. The Principality of Savante stance on rape culture is to reject sexualization of men and women and to borrow different cultural practices of modesty and restraint without losing ones sense of individual uniqeness. We highly discourage alcohol and hard core drugs but not illegal, and night clubs and bars.

[Kelinfort]

[citation needed]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/false_rape_accusations_why_must_be_pretend_they_never_happen.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2012/false-allegations-of-adult-crimes

> "A lot"
> Wikipedia: "between 1.5-8%"

[Brillnuck]

Agreed.

There needs to be very severe punishments for rape. One can get jailed and then released, or kept for life. Why spend money on them, when you can just execute.

Why do people think short clothes=hot. It's just disgusting.

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

[Firsthome]

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

You can't control how people dress. That's fascist. Take drugs if you have too much of a desire to pork

[Haktiva]

That's a valid point. Of course, it doesn't really go with the mainstream narrative of an epidemic of male on female rape. Most people don't seem to get too riled up when you compare a male victim to a female victim.

I think rape of all genders by all genders exist but male on female rape is the most common.

yeah, women are more prone to be victims of sexual crimes while men are more prone to be victims of violent crime.

It depends on context, honestly. I still believe there needs to be a harsh punishment for a false rape allegation.

[Kelinfort]

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

Yay victim blaming.

Also, that's quite authoritarian and needless. A vast majority of people wearing short clothing never get raped. People can be raped in any short of outfit.

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In our post modern society of secularization of men and women, there will be a rape culture. For example, drugs and alcohol with the media promoting hypersexualization of young people and fashions that dictate immodest in our society dod contribute to rape culture. The Principality of Savante stance on rape culture is to reject sexualization of men and women and to borrow different cultural practices of modesty and restraint without losing ones sense of individual uniqeness. We highly discourage alcohol and hard core drugs but not illegal, and night clubs and bars.

This is NSG, not a roleplaying forum, and drugs and alcohol are not the issue. Getting fucked up doesn't excuse a rapist and being fucked up doesn't make a victim any more deserving.

[Brillnuck]

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

You can't control how people dress. That's fascist. Take drugs if you have too much of a desire to pork

I know.. But, at least you can prevent trouble by telling people. Not forcing, but telling. There's a difference when you say something, and when you enforce something.

[Firsthome]

I think rape of all genders by all genders exist but male on female rape is the most common.

yeah, women are more prone to be victims of sexual crimes while men are more prone to be victims of violent crime.

It depends on context, honestly. I still believe there needs to be a harsh punishment for a false rape allegation.

I agree, but less harsh than a rape sentence

And I know it happens, but how do you prove you were raped by a girl?

[Lordieth]

I don't care what girls wear.

As long as they don't wear flip flops and short shorts. I hate those

Short shorts should actually be banned (that go above the knee). If it goes to your knee, it's okay. But anything higher, and that's calling for trouble.

Who likes short shorts? You don't like short shorts.