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Is it legal to arrest the ministers?

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No
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:26 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:

Assaulting and steeling are not the only crimes. Then they find someone who is willing to marry them in their chapel. As a business it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

Then they should be sued, threatened with jailtime is not acceptable. Sexual Orientation is in fact not covered by the laws disabling employers to be discriminating.
Source to the 2nd fact.
http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/


Pssst. That would be if somebody was applying for a job or worked there......
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Postby Nasal Bondage » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:26 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Again read the thread, they are not being threatened with jail time.

"Ministers threatened with arrest"
“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,”

The title is reactionary. Read the actual article.
Last time I checked, prosecution is not synonymous with threatening to give somebody jail time.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:26 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:

Assaulting and steeling are not the only crimes. Then they find someone who is willing to marry them in their chapel. As a business it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

Then they should be sued, threatened with jailtime is not acceptable. Sexual Orientation is in fact not covered by the laws disabling employers to be discriminating.
Source to the 2nd fact.
http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/


The area where that business is operating does in fact have that law.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:26 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Again read the thread, they are not being threatened with jail time.

"Ministers threatened with arrest"
“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,”

Reading through title and reading the thread aren't the same thing.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:27 pm

Nasal Bondage wrote:
Forzona wrote:"Ministers threatened with arrest"
“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,”

The title is reactionary. Read the actual article.
Last time I checked, prosecution is not synonymous with threatening to give somebody jail time.

If you are arrested, you do jailtime until your court session. (unless you purchase a bail)
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Postby Amacia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:27 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Amacia wrote:Hitching Post has been around for 100 years. That's no reason to dissolve it.


It's their choice to close it. When it comes to the public good in the matters of a public business; there are rules to follow. Your Religious beliefs don't give you the ability to ignore them.

Whether it's for-profit or non-profit is irrelevant. It's a religious organization, and falls within its exemption.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:27 pm

Forzona wrote:
Nasal Bondage wrote:The title is reactionary. Read the actual article.
Last time I checked, prosecution is not synonymous with threatening to give somebody jail time.

If you are arrested, you do jailtime until your court session. (unless you purchase a bail)


That is not what is meant by jailtime.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:28 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Forzona wrote:"Ministers threatened with arrest"
“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,”

Reading through title and reading the thread aren't the same thing.

Second line is in the thread.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:28 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:If you are arrested, you do jailtime until your court session. (unless you purchase a bail)


That is not what is meant by jailtime.

It is in jail, is it not? The fact they should even have to go through that I find absurd.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:28 pm

Forzona wrote:
Nasal Bondage wrote:The title is reactionary. Read the actual article.
Last time I checked, prosecution is not synonymous with threatening to give somebody jail time.

If you are arrested, you do jailtime until your court session. (unless you purchase a bail)

Wrong.
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Postby Nasal Bondage » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:29 pm

Forzona wrote:
Nasal Bondage wrote:The title is reactionary. Read the actual article.
Last time I checked, prosecution is not synonymous with threatening to give somebody jail time.

If you are arrested, you do jailtime until your court session. (unless you purchase a bail)

That's not the definition of jailtime. Jailtime is time that you serve in jail or prison for a sentence given by a judge.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:29 pm

Amacia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It's their choice to close it. When it comes to the public good in the matters of a public business; there are rules to follow. Your Religious beliefs don't give you the ability to ignore them.

Whether it's for-profit or non-profit is irrelevant. It's a religious organization, and falls within its exemption.


Actually no it does not, since they were not listed as a religious organization. The only time a religious business is a religious business legally is if the legally declare themselves to be one . As this business did not do so they were still subject to the laws of non-discrimination. The owners of a business being a certain religion does not excuse them from having to obey the law.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:30 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
That is not what is meant by jailtime.

It is in jail, is it not? The fact they should even have to go through that I find absurd.


No, jailtime is when a person has been found guilty and has been sentenced by a judge.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:30 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Forzona wrote:If you are arrested, you do jailtime until your court session. (unless you purchase a bail)

Wrong.

Right...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:31 pm

Amacia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It's their choice to close it. When it comes to the public good in the matters of a public business; there are rules to follow. Your Religious beliefs don't give you the ability to ignore them.

Whether it's for-profit or non-profit is irrelevant. It's a religious organization, and falls within its exemption.


It's a public business. It isn't exempt.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:It is in jail, is it not? The fact they should even have to go through that I find absurd.


No, jailtime is when a person has been found guilty and has been sentenced by a judge.

I may have been mixed up, but like I said, the idea that they should have to go through that in the first place is ridiculous.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:31 pm

Forzona wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Wrong.

Right...


Again that is not what is meant by jailtime.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:32 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
No, jailtime is when a person has been found guilty and has been sentenced by a judge.

I may have been mixed up, but like I said, the idea that they should have to go through that in the first place is ridiculous.


No more so then any other crime. A person who has committed a crime and is being detained should not be surprised.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:33 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:Right...


Again that is not what is meant by jailtime.

I know, I was responding by my other post about how you do serve jail until your court date.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:I may have been mixed up, but like I said, the idea that they should have to go through that in the first place is ridiculous.


No more so then any other crime. A person who has committed a crime and is being detained should not be surprised.

For something like this? I am pretty sure that EEOC spans over the entire nation, as another note.
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Postby Amacia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Amacia wrote:Whether it's for-profit or non-profit is irrelevant. It's a religious organization, and falls within its exemption.


Actually no it does not, since they were not listed as a religious organization. The only time a religious business is a religious business legally is if the legally declare themselves to be one. As this business did not do so they were still subject to the laws of non-discrimination. The owners of a business being a certain religion does not excuse them from having to obey the law.

The nature of there business is inherently religious. And what do you mean by listed as a religious organization?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:35 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
No more so then any other crime. A person who has committed a crime and is being detained should not be surprised.

For something like this? I am pretty sure that EEOC spans over the entire nation, as another note.


No, specific states and local governments can make additional laws covering these things.

Amacia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually no it does not, since they were not listed as a religious organization. The only time a religious business is a religious business legally is if the legally declare themselves to be one. As this business did not do so they were still subject to the laws of non-discrimination. The owners of a business being a certain religion does not excuse them from having to obey the law.

The nature of there business is inherently religious. And what do you mean by listed as a religious organization?


No it is not, weddings ceremonies are by no means religious, especially when at one point they were willing to offer ceremonies based on other religions. By that I mean they a registered as a religious organization. There is a store near me that sells religious paraphernalia, it too is still subject to the law, to do otherwise would be to endorse a religion.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:35 pm

Forzona wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Wrong.

Right...

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I've been arrested a couple of times and have never served jailtime.
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Postby Nasal Bondage » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:36 pm

Amacia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually no it does not, since they were not listed as a religious organization. The only time a religious business is a religious business legally is if the legally declare themselves to be one. As this business did not do so they were still subject to the laws of non-discrimination. The owners of a business being a certain religion does not excuse them from having to obey the law.

The nature of there business is inherently religious. And what do you mean by listed as a religious organization?

There are government classifications of religious organizations. The Hitching Post was not on the government registry of religious organizations.
No, it's not inherently religious. Marriage is not religious, it's a legal act that happens to be commonly performed in a religious setting.
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Postby Amacia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:39 pm

Nasal Bondage wrote:
Amacia wrote:The nature of there business is inherently religious. And what do you mean by listed as a religious organization?

There are government classifications of religious organizations. The Hitching Post was not on the government registry of religious organizations.
No, it's not inherently religious. Marriage is not religious, it's a legal act that happens to be commonly performed in a religious setting.

The type of marriage they perform is inherently religious.
"Adolf Hitler as chancellor of Germany is a horror; Adolf Hitler at a town meeting would be an asshole.” - Karl Hess
"If alot of pepol love ech other, the world wud be a better plase to live" - Tommy Wiseau
"Who the hell do you think I am?!" - Kamina
"If I ever get anal polyps I'll know what to name them" - Saul Goodman
"Admiration is a state furthest from understanding" - Sosuke Aizen
"In a land where ignorance of the law is no excuse, changing the law is no remedy for ignorance." - greed and death

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