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Is it legal to arrest the ministers?

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Forzona
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:12 pm

"WHAAAT!? You refuse to perform an action that is against your own religion!? Fuck you, go to prison!"
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:13 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:Educated comments only.

So, you're not posting anymore? :unsure:


It was so hard to resist that one and you just jumped in and splashed all around. Damn you Dya, Damn you.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:14 pm

The balkens wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So, you're not posting anymore? :unsure:


Woah dude. :?

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:16 pm

Forzona wrote:"WHAAAT!? You refuse to perform an action that is against your own religion!? Fuck you, go to prison!"

That isn't at all what is being suggested.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:16 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Forzona wrote:"WHAAAT!? You refuse to perform an action that is against your own religion!? Fuck you, go to prison!"

That isn't at all what is being suggested.

They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:18 pm

Forzona wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:That isn't at all what is being suggested.

They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.


No they are not being arrested. They are dealing with the fact that as a business (well if they hadn't changed their status to religious corporation) they were breaking the law. A religious convictions does not clear a person when they break the law. Businesses in that area have to deal with a law that says that businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on sexual orientation. They broke that law and would be dealing with the consequences of said action.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:18 pm

Forzona wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:That isn't at all what is being suggested.

They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.


They are running a for-profit business, they are subject to laws.

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Postby Amacia » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Amacia wrote:Shoving religion down someone's throat would be forcing someone to buy a bible. They just don't want to marry certain people.


Then close the business and go do Religious ceremonies in their place of worship.

Problem solved.

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Postby Cool Spring » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:18 pm

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:18 pm

Forzona wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:That isn't at all what is being suggested.

They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.

No-one is being arrested.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:19 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Forzona wrote:They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.

No-one is being arrested.


Apparently reading the thread and other posts is just not done.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:19 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.


No they are not being arrested. They are dealing with the fact that as a business (well if they hadn't changed their status to religious corporation) they were breaking the law. A religious convictions does not clear a person when they break the law.

Were they assaulting someone or stealing something? No. They are refusing to support something their Bible- the thing their entire JOB is based off of (Or other holy scripts, depending) says not to.
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Postby Zevretin » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:20 pm

Putting equality into motion doesn't mean throwing them in jail for having an opinion.

If you're homosexual and you'd like to get married at a credible chapel, go to one that DOES accept gays. To persecute people for having opinions is ridiculous. While the argument that it is discrimination is solid, to arrest someone from a privately-owned religious institution is absurd. I know for a fact that there are plenty of churches willing to hold marriages, gay or straight, within their halls.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:20 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
No they are not being arrested. They are dealing with the fact that as a business (well if they hadn't changed their status to religious corporation) they were breaking the law. A religious convictions does not clear a person when they break the law.

Were they assaulting someone or stealing something? No. They are refusing to support something their Bible- the thing their entire JOB is based off of (Or other holy scripts, depending) says not to.



Assaulting and steeling are not the only crimes. Then they find someone who is willing to marry them in their chapel. As a business it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:21 pm

Zevretin wrote:Putting equality into motion doesn't mean throwing them in jail for having an opinion.

If you're homosexual and you'd like to get married at a credible chapel, go to one that DOES accept gays. To persecute people for having opinions is ridiculous. While the argument that it is discrimination is solid, to arrest someone from a privately-owned religious institution is absurd. I know for a fact that there are plenty of churches willing to hold marriages, gay or straight, within their halls.


If you read this thread you would realize that no homosexual person is suing them. They are in fact the instigators of this little issue. Also they are a for profit institution.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:21 pm

The balkens wrote:
Forzona wrote:They are being arrested for not supporting same-sex marriages, which is against what it says in their Bible. By forcing them to do this, you are making them commit an action that is against what their religion says.


They are running a for-profit business, they are subject to laws.

If it's a profit business, they should be sued. Not threatened with jailtime.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:22 pm

Forzona wrote:
The balkens wrote:
They are running a for-profit business, they are subject to laws.

If it's a profit business, they should be sued. Not threatened with jailtime.


Again read the thread, they are not being threatened with jail time.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:22 pm

Amacia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Then close the business and go do Religious ceremonies in their place of worship.

Problem solved.

Hitching Post has been around for 100 years. That's no reason to dissolve it.


It's their choice to close it. When it comes to the public good in the matters of a public business; there are rules to follow. Your Religious beliefs don't give you the ability to ignore them.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:23 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
No they are not being arrested. They are dealing with the fact that as a business (well if they hadn't changed their status to religious corporation) they were breaking the law. A religious convictions does not clear a person when they break the law.

Were they assaulting someone or stealing something? No. They are refusing to support something their Bible- the thing their entire JOB is based off of (Or other holy scripts, depending) says not to.

Their job is running a for-profit wedding chapel. The Bible says nothing about running for-profit wedding chapels.
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Postby Nasal Bondage » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:24 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
No they are not being arrested. They are dealing with the fact that as a business (well if they hadn't changed their status to religious corporation) they were breaking the law. A religious convictions does not clear a person when they break the law.

Were they assaulting someone or stealing something? No. They are refusing to support something their Bible- the thing their entire JOB is based off of (Or other holy scripts, depending) says not to.

Assault and theft aren't the only two crimes in the book, dear.
They're discriminating against people for their sexuality. And remember, marriage isn't a religious affair, it's a legal affair. Marriage is a covenant under the law of whatever country you're in.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:24 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:Were they assaulting someone or stealing something? No. They are refusing to support something their Bible- the thing their entire JOB is based off of (Or other holy scripts, depending) says not to.



Assaulting and steeling are not the only crimes. Then they find someone who is willing to marry them in their chapel. As a business it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

Then they should be sued, threatened with jailtime is not acceptable. Sexual Orientation is in fact not covered by the laws disabling employers to be discriminating.
Source to the 2nd fact.
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:24 pm

Forzona wrote:
The balkens wrote:
They are running a for-profit business, they are subject to laws.

If it's a profit business, they should be sued. Not threatened with jailtime.

They were never threatened with jail time.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:25 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Forzona wrote:If it's a profit business, they should be sued. Not threatened with jailtime.


Again read the thread, they are not being threatened with jail time.

"Ministers threatened with arrest"
“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,”
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Postby Nasal Bondage » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:25 pm

Forzona wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:

Assaulting and steeling are not the only crimes. Then they find someone who is willing to marry them in their chapel. As a business it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

Then they should be sued, threatened with jailtime is not acceptable. Sexual Orientation is in fact not covered by the laws disabling employers to be discriminating.
Source to the 2nd fact.
http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/

If you'd kindly read the article, you might have the startling revelation that they are not being threatened with jailtime.
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Postby Forzona » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:25 pm

Nasal Bondage wrote:
Forzona wrote:Then they should be sued, threatened with jailtime is not acceptable. Sexual Orientation is in fact not covered by the laws disabling employers to be discriminating.
Source to the 2nd fact.
http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/

If you'd kindly read the article, you might have the startling revelation that they are not being threatened with jailtime.

“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,”
"Ministers threatened with arrest"
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