Ministers threatened with arrest

by **Archeuland and Baughistan** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:50 pm

Source:

1. http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8184357
2. http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/city-threatens-to-arrest-ministers-who-refuse-to-perform-same-sex-weddings.html

Two Christian ministers who own an Idaho wedding chapel were told they had to either perform same-sex weddings or face jail time and up to $1,000 in daily fines, according to a lawsuit filed Friday in federal court.

Alliance Defending Freedom is representing Donald and Evelyn Knapp, two ordained ministers who own the Hitching Post Wedding Chapel in Coeur d’Alene.

“Right now they are at risk of being prosecuted,” attorney Jeremy Tedesco told me. “The threat of enforcement is more than just credible.”

The wedding chapel is registered as a “religious corporation” limited to performing “one-man-one-woman marriages as defined by the Holy Bible.”

What say you?

by **Archeuland and Baughistan** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:52 pm

My opinion:

I think that this is going to continue, unfortunately. I suspect churches will eventually be forced to provide same-sex weddings. The Constitution is largely being ignored at this point by our present government (local, state, and federal).

by **Acharastan** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:52 pm

I think it's good. Finally, the government is putting equality into action. Does the OP have an opinion?

by **Blazedtown** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:52 pm

Good, throw their asses in jail. No different than someone owning a Negro Free Mcdonalds.

by **Ardoki** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:53 pm

They should be sent to jail, and taught tolerance and the concept of the equality of all humans.

by **Furry Alairia and Algeria** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:53 pm

I'm surprised that Fox News did something that actually could have credibility.

Actually, never mind.

And they are supposed to allow same-sex marriage. Laws that have been passed allowing gay-marriage should be crystal clear at this point. Fines, yes, though Jail-time is undeserved.

by **Galloism** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:53 pm

Is the wedding chapel an operational church?

by **Page** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:53 pm

I don't think they should be arrested but maybe lose their legal authority to perform weddings if they refuse to comply.

by **Archeuland and Baughistan** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:55 pm

Blazedtown wrote:Good, throw their asses in jail. No different than someone owning a Negro Free Mcdonalds.

They should be entitled to their own values and opinions, and no government should be forcing them to support or endorse gay marriage (which they would be doing by hosting gay weddings).

by **Lydenburg** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:55 pm

What is a religious "corporation"?

Religious institutions should have the right to refuse any practise or ceremony thereof which challenge their beliefs. That's the point of a religious institution, isn't it?

But it's not the point of a business. Hence my confusion. Those two shouldn't mix.

by **Furry Alairia and Algeria** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:56 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:Good, throw their asses in jail. No different than someone owning a Negro Free Mcdonalds.

They should be entitled to their own values and opinions, and no government should be forcing them to support or endorse gay marriage (which they would be doing by hosting gay weddings).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Idaho
Follow the law.
End of story kiddies.

by **Ardoki** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:56 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:Good, throw their asses in jail. No different than someone owning a Negro Free Mcdonalds.

They should be entitled to their own values and opinions, and no government should be forcing them to support or endorse gay marriage (which they would be doing by hosting gay weddings).

Equality should be enforced by the government.

by **Lydenburg** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:57 pm

Ardoki wrote:They should be sent to jail, and taught tolerance and the concept of the equality of all humans.

Reeducation camps for the masses.

by **Ardoki** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:58 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Ardoki wrote:They should be sent to jail, and taught tolerance and the concept of the equality of all humans.

Reeducation camps for the masses.

If equality is not respected by certain sections of society, they should be taught it.

by **Tyrinth** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:58 pm

I'm torn on this issue. I support same-sex marriage, and I dislike discrimination, but I also believe as a business owner you should not have to be told who your customers are, and I also believe in freedom to follow your religious beliefs.

I'll put my vote in as an "unsure."

by **Benuty** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:58 pm

Got a better source than Pox News?

by **Archeuland and Baughistan** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:58 pm

I would apply the Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby to this case. Business owners can make religious decisions with regard to their property. Those that object to abortion, SSM, etc, should not be forced into it.

by **Benuty** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:59 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I would apply the Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby to this case. Business owners can make religious decisions with regard to their property. Those that object to abortion, SSM, etc, should not be forced into it.

Humans are not property.

by **Furry Alairia and Algeria** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:59 pm

Benuty wrote:Got a better source than Pox News?

Yeah, my paddle.
It reports from the bottom of America, non-geographically of course, where nothing called intelligence is.

by **Holyrood** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:59 pm

If you are going to use your nonprofit status to break the law then you are going to face some sort of charge. They knew this was coming, now they get to face the music. Follow the law.

by **Rides a Pale Horse** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:00 pm

Ardoki wrote:They should be sent to jail, and taught tolerance and the concept of the equality of all humans.

Hahahahahahahahahahah :clap:

Lib fascists, always good for laughs. Sooooo tolerant, sooooo equal.....so full of bovine scat.

by **Archeuland and Baughistan** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:00 pm

Benuty wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I would apply the Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby to this case. Business owners can make religious decisions with regard to their property. Those that object to abortion, SSM, etc, should not be forced into it.

Humans are not property.

No, but their business is. Humans run the business. Thus, they can make lawful decisions in regard to it. To provide a same-sex marriage would go against their consciences. That would be unfair.

by **The balkens** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:01 pm

Benuty wrote:Got a better source than Pox News?

what does god think, Benuty?

by **Furry Alairia and Algeria** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:02 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
Benuty wrote:Humans are not property.

No, but their business is. Humans run the business. Thus, they can make lawful decisions in regard to it. To provide a same-sex marriage would go against their consciences. That would be unfair.

That still treats the equality system as a full on joke by the Illuminati.

In other words, you've contradicted yourself.

by **Insaeldor** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:04 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
Reeducation camps for the masses.

If equality is not respected by certain sections of society, they should be taught it.

The Tolerance paradox aye?

Anyway I fully support gay marriage but I do not support the forcing of religious establishments to preform such ceremonies. I'd suggest ether a program to give non-religious establishments the ability to preform marriage or finding a church that will preform such a wedding (I know some Episcopal churches preform the ceremonies)

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