Detroit woman shot and killed for not giving phone number.

[Linux and the X]

It's funny. If someone were to replace the word 'men' with 'black people' and the word 'women' with 'white people' then this OP would have (rightfully) been considered extremely racist and have been locked with the poster warned, or even banned, long ago. But for some reason, blatant sexism and extreme generalisation of males gets a free pass? Why is that?

Your comparison is specious. Women being cautious around men is an example of a minority class protecting themselves from a majority class; white people discriminating against black people is an example of a majority class exercising their power over a minority class.

Also, the sexism in the thread isn't getting a free pass: while mod action isn't taken, posters do mock and debate it..

[Galloism]

It's funny. If someone were to replace the word 'men' with 'black people' and the word 'women' with 'white people' then this OP would have (rightfully) been considered extremely racist and have been locked with the poster warned, or even banned, long ago. But for some reason, blatant sexism and extreme generalisation of males gets a free pass? Why is that?

Your comparison is specious. Women being cautious around men is an example of a minority class protecting themselves from a majority class; white people discriminating against black people is an example of a majority class exercising their power over a minority class.

Also, the sexism in the thread isn't getting a free pass: while mod action isn't taken, posters do mock and debate it..

I know what you meant and all, but your choice of terms was bad.

By pure numbers, women are the "majority class" while men are the "minority class". It's also true that, in regards to the justice system, men are oppressed compared with women. In fact, its a steeper oppression than the white/black one.

Now, what I think you meant was "dominant class" and "oppressed class", and on the whole it would make sense the distinction you made. However, within the context of crime and criminal justice, the men/black comparison is perfectly apt. Much like black vs white, men are likely to receive harsher sentences compared with women as perpetrators, less protection as victims compared with women, and, overall, are more likely to be victims compared to women.

All in all, the comparison fits within the context of this thread.

[Quintanilla]

It's funny. If someone were to replace the word 'men' with 'black people' and the word 'women' with 'white people' then this OP would have (rightfully) been considered extremely racist and have been locked with the poster warned, or even banned, long ago. But for some reason, blatant sexism and extreme generalisation of males gets a free pass? Why is that?

Your comparison is specious. Women being cautious around men is an example of a minority class protecting themselves from a majority class; white people discriminating against black people is an example of a majority class exercising their power over a minority class.

Also, the sexism in the thread isn't getting a free pass: while mod action isn't taken, posters do mock and debate it..

Black people create stereotypes on their own.

White people don't intermingle with black people in greater numbers largely because of precedents set by black people when it comes to black-white relations.

As for female oppression, some suggested literature.

[Twilight Imperium]

Your comparison is specious. Women being cautious around men is an example of a minority class protecting themselves from a majority class; white people discriminating against black people is an example of a majority class exercising their power over a minority class.

Also, the sexism in the thread isn't getting a free pass: while mod action isn't taken, posters do mock and debate it..

I know what you meant and all, but your choice of terms was bad.

By pure numbers, women are the "majority class" while men are the "minority class". It's also true that, in regards to the justice system, men are oppressed compared with women. In fact, its a steeper oppression than the white/black one.

Now, what I think you meant was "dominant class" and "oppressed class", and on the whole it would make sense the distinction you made. However, within the context of crime and criminal justice, the men/black comparison is perfectly apt. Much like black vs white, men are likely to receive harsher sentences compared with women as perpetrators, less protection as victims compared with women, and, overall, are more likely to be victims compared to women.

All in all, the comparison fits within the context of this thread.

I was going to post this, but apparently "majority" and "minority" in sociological terms refer to how much social power a group has, not pure numbers. So what they said was correct in the context of the thread

[Galloism]

I know what you meant and all, but your choice of terms was bad.

By pure numbers, women are the "majority class" while men are the "minority class". It's also true that, in regards to the justice system, men are oppressed compared with women. In fact, its a steeper oppression than the white/black one.

Now, what I think you meant was "dominant class" and "oppressed class", and on the whole it would make sense the distinction you made. However, within the context of crime and criminal justice, the men/black comparison is perfectly apt. Much like black vs white, men are likely to receive harsher sentences compared with women as perpetrators, less protection as victims compared with women, and, overall, are more likely to be victims compared to women.

All in all, the comparison fits within the context of this thread.

I was going to post this, but apparently "majority" and "minority" in sociological terms refer to how much social power a group has, not pure numbers. So what they said was correct in the context of the thread

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

[Twilight Imperium]

I was going to post this, but apparently "majority" and "minority" in sociological terms refer to how much social power a group has, not pure numbers. So what they said was correct in the context of the thread

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

I'll bring it up at the next big sociology conference.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I was going to post this, but apparently "majority" and "minority" in sociological terms refer to how much social power a group has, not pure numbers. So what they said was correct in the context of the thread

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

I don't mean to sound rude with you, but you DO know that that sort of thinking is also why Apartheid in Africa was condoned, right?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

I'll bring it up at the next big sociology conference.

Well, I mean, he's right in saying that men are a minority numerically speaking.

But a majority isn't determined by numbers, it is determined by historical numbers + power. So white people are a majority in that they have more power and numbers generally speaking, but sometimes is not necessarily both.

[Galloism]

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

I don't mean to sound rude with you, but you DO know that that sort of thinking is also why Apartheid in Africa was condoned, right?

Because people objected to improper mathematical terms and preferred more accurate terminology?

That's a weird way to keep apartheid alive.

[Koopaville]

I blame cell phones. Let's ban cell phones guys!! For the women! And the children! Or this could be an isolated incident, but like the anti-gun nutjobs, I'll just hype this issue over and over because there are too many idiots like me in the world who should not have a voice in politics!

[Galloism]

I'll bring it up at the next big sociology conference.

Well, I mean, he's right in saying that men are a minority numerically speaking.

But a majority isn't determined by numbers, it is determined by historical numbers + power. So white people are a majority in that they have more power and numbers generally speaking, but sometimes is not necessarily both.

Then more accurate terminology should be used.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't mean to sound rude with you, but you DO know that that sort of thinking is also why Apartheid in Africa was condoned, right?

Because people objected to improper mathematical terms and preferred more accurate terminology?

That's a weird way to keep apartheid alive.

Well, no, because people thought "well there's 90 percent of people in South Africa who are black and 10% white; they are clearly the minority" issue.

Like I said above, in sociological terms, a majority is usually bigger numbers + greater parity. But it's not always necessarily true.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, I mean, he's right in saying that men are a minority numerically speaking.

But a majority isn't determined by numbers, it is determined by historical numbers + power. So white people are a majority in that they have more power and numbers generally speaking, but sometimes is not necessarily both.

Then more accurate terminology should be used.

Such as?

[Galloism]

Because people objected to improper mathematical terms and preferred more accurate terminology?

That's a weird way to keep apartheid alive.

Well, no, because people thought "well there's 90 percent of people in South Africa who are black and 10% white; they are clearly the minority" issue.

Like I said above, in sociological terms, a majority is usually bigger numbers + greater parity. But it's not always necessarily true.

Then the use of "dominant class" and "oppressed class" is far more appropriate. Because when you say "we're in the minority!!!" and you're 90% of the population, everyone who is not a liberal arts major is going to look at you like you grew a third head.

[Galloism]

Then more accurate terminology should be used.

Such as?

Maybe the terminology I put in the original post you responded to?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Such as?

Maybe the terminology I put in the original post you responded to?

Dominant and Oppressed classes? That works.

However, I must say we're getting rather pedantic over this for a forum.

[Linux and the X]

I was going to post this, but apparently "majority" and "minority" in sociological terms refer to how much social power a group has, not pure numbers. So what they said was correct in the context of the thread

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

If it helps, you can think of it as referring to the group that holds most of the social power as the majority, and the group (or groups) with less social power as the minority (or minorities).

[Twilight Imperium]

However, I must say we're getting rather pedantic over this for a forum.

Yes. And as previously mentioned, it is the correct sociological term. If you disagree that strongly, take it up with academia

[The New World Oceania]

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

If it helps, you can think of it as referring to the group that holds most of the social power as the majority, and the group (or groups) with less social power as the minority (or minorities).

In terms of the oppression of women, the patriarchy is generally seen more as the oppressor than are men in their entirety. Of course, we could bring into play the concepts of "privilege," and what not, but those very ideas are plausibly why feminism and other social justice movements are seen as inherently and actively hostile.

[Neutraligon]

Said male was harassing her, which is illegal. Since she was not in immediate danger, using a gun would have put her in jail, instead of him. Also, did you just advocate murder? Considering he is committing an actual crime...

Walking with a woman to persuade her into romance is not harassment. Spending longer time with a woman increases your chances of being her liberator, freeing her from toil, protecting her from degenerates. Attentiveness and small favors are the among the best tools when softening a woman's heart; a man who makes known his love by words is a fool. A man should talk to her, however, words of love must be implied with action, not boldly proclaimed.

It i if she does not wish you to be there, and has expressed said wish. The rest of your statement is so utter nonsense as to be ridiculous. Oh and coninued harassment just reinforces the idea that you are a jerk, and that you are now a danger to her life. As this very article shows, some men are not sane (some women too), and those that continue to force their presence on a woman/man are those who it is not safe to be around.

[Blakk Metal]

Social justice warrior hypocrisy summarized.

[Roski]

I'll bring it up at the next big sociology conference.

Well, I mean, he's right in saying that men are a minority numerically speaking.

But a majority isn't determined by numbers, it is determined by historical numbers + power. So white people are a majority in that they have more power and numbers generally speaking, but sometimes is not necessarily both.

White people have the lowest population world wide.

I believe you meant Oriental.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

It's funny. If someone were to replace the word 'men' with 'black people' and the word 'women' with 'white people' then this OP would have (rightfully) been considered extremely racist and have been locked with the poster warned, or even banned, long ago. But for some reason, blatant sexism and extreme generalisation of males gets a free pass? Why is that?

Your comparison is specious. Women being cautious around men is an example of a minority class protecting themselves from a majority class; white people discriminating against black people is an example of a majority class exercising their power over a minority class.

Also, the sexism in the thread isn't getting a free pass: while mod action isn't taken, posters do mock and debate it..

What is the precise, functional difference between the two examples that causes a comparison to be invalid? It's not so obvious that it doesn't need to be explained.

[Shilya]

I object on mathematical grounds to referring to 51% of the population as a minority and 49% as the majority.

If it helps, you can think of it as referring to the group that holds most of the social power as the majority, and the group (or groups) with less social power as the minority (or minorities).

It doesn't really help, because 98% hold no more power than women. The social power is concentrated in the hands of a few.

[The New World Oceania]

If it helps, you can think of it as referring to the group that holds most of the social power as the majority, and the group (or groups) with less social power as the minority (or minorities).

It doesn't really help, because 98% hold no more power than women. The social power is concentrated in the hands of a few.

Individuals don't hold social power (disregarding Marxist theory). In the oppression of women, it's the abstract concept ofpatriarchy, which is spread through society even inadvertantly, which holds that social power.