School Removes the Fault in Our Stars from Library

[Sdaeriji]

This committee seems to think it is that explicit.

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So, the committee's decision is right because the committee made a decision?

You seem as self-assured of your own opinion as they do of theirs. Why should we believe you over them?

[Monkeykind]

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So, the committee's decision is right because the committee made a decision?

Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.

A person on the internet can be anyone.

[The Black Forrest]

Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.

A person on the internet can be anyone.

How do I know you are not an AI!

[Monkeykind]

A person on the internet can be anyone.

How do I know you are not an AI!

You don't.

[The New World Oceania]

A person on the internet can be anyone.

How do I know you are not an AI!

The best thing about Wikipedia is their rule, assume good faith. It seems annoying, having
to assume skatersue666 is in fact a professor of anthropology at Columbia, but even more annoying is when people on NS are willing to contest to and from hell whether or not you attended a middle school in a news story. It happens.

Concerning suggestions that, if we're going to include work egregious as the Fault in Our Stars in school libraries, we should include Fifty Shades of Gray. My answer is the distinction between literature and pornography: one contains sexual content, whereas the other consists, almost entirely, of sexual content.
Even then, who's to say we shouldn't be keeping Fifty Shades of Grayvoff the shelves? We have textbooks on erotic art (maybe this is just an arts school problem), after all.

[Monkeykind]

How do I know you are not an AI!

The best thing about Wikipedia is their rule, assume good faith. It seems annoying, having
to assume skatersue666 is in fact a professor of anthropology at Columbia, but even more annoying is when people on NS are willing to contest to and from hell whether or not you attended a middle school in a news story. It happens.

Concerning suggestions that, if we're going to include work egregious as the Fault in Our Stars in school libraries, we should include Fifty Shades of Gray. My answer is the distinction between literature and pornography: one contains sexual content, whereas the other consists, almost entirely, of sexual content.
Even then, who's to say we shouldn't be keeping Fifty Shades of Grayvoff the shelves? We have textbooks on erotic art (maybe this is just an arts school problem), after all.

Fifty Shades of Grey should be in school libraries.

[Ungodly Darkness]

Fifty Shades of Grey should be in school libraries.

Nuff saif. Give that man a cookie.

[The New World Oceania]

Fifty Shades of Grey should be in school libraries.

Nuff saif. Give that man a cookie.

I'm not saying it should.

But I'm not saying it shouldn't...
Prove me wrong in ten words or fewer. This is in fact just a word omission exercise.

[Tzorsland]

I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.

[Anglo-California]

Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.

[Por]

I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.

The difference being that was high school, this is middle school.

[Mavorpen]

Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.

The former could indeed be useful to teach students how not to conduct science.

[Ungodly Darkness]

Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.

Once again, it surprises me that some school isn't making a fuss over ASoIaF. I mean, it has practically everything the pro-censorship bastards fear...maybe they just think it's too geeky for any "proper kid" to check out?

[The Two Jerseys]

I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.

The difference being that was high school, this is middle school.

Plus the nuns would probably just say "And the moral of the story is that THEY'RE WICKED SINNERS AND ARE BOTH GOING TO HELL!"

[Coccygia]

Crap. I though you meant a school had banned astrology. If only.

Alas, they're all run by Virgos.

Damn Virgos!

[Charellia]

Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.

Once again, it surprises me that some school isn't making a fuss over ASoIaF. I mean, it has practically everything the pro-censorship bastards fear...maybe they just think it's too geeky for any "proper kid" to check out?

I really doubt that ASoIaF is in any school libraries to begin with.

[The Scientific States]

Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.

They're not necessarily taboo, it's just that the first book is pseudoscientific bullshit, whilst the second one is bigoted garbage.

[The ISCA]

Fault in Our Stars banned for mortality and sexual explicitness?

I assume their library doesn't have ASoIaF on the shelves?

Oh hell fucking no.

Hipster?

[MERIZoC]

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So, the committee's decision is right because the committee made a decision?

Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.

You're still using circular logic. Actually defend your point, please. "They're right because they say so" is not an argument.

[Ifreann]

I went to high school in 1976. A Catholic High School. Run by Nuns. First book I was required to read was the first book of the "Bicentennial Series" by John James, entitled "The Bastard." There the illegitimate half brother of a French nobleman romps in the hay with his half brother's fiancee, takes her virginity, and gets her pregnant. I'm sure that this school wouldn't approve that book either.

I don't know if Catholic nuns from the 70s are people we want to be emulating.

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Oh boo hoo. Some school won't read a hipster's novel. If you to read some books that are really taboo, read The Bell Curve and The Turner Diaries.

Once again, it surprises me that some school isn't making a fuss over ASoIaF. I mean, it has practically everything the pro-censorship bastards fear...maybe they just think it's too geeky for any "proper kid" to check out?

Most likely it isn't getting into school libraries in the first place, and thus there can be no fuss about removing it. Though the assumptions you're demonstrating are quite interesting.

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Well why should I believe you over them? After all, this committee is made up of "teachers, parents, a principal, librarian and instructional services specialist", and you're just a person on the internet.

You're still using circular logic. Actually defend your point, please. "They're right because they say so" is not an argument.

I'm not saying that they are right because they say so. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept their assessment over yours because they have relevant experience and expertise and as far as I know you do not. Now if you would like to defend your point by perhaps offering some reason why we should give credence to your assessment of the book, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it.

[MERIZoC]

You're still using circular logic. Actually defend your point, please. "They're right because they say so" is not an argument.

I'm not saying that they are right because they say so. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept their assessment over yours because they have relevant experience and expertise and as far as I know you do not. Now if you would like to defend your point by perhaps offering some reason why we should give credence to your assessment of the book, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it.

Ah. So I have to have some title to be able to properly offer my opinions on the matter. The reasoning I use simply isn't enough. Surely we should trust a bunch of prude parents to make the right decision. After all: they are authority figures.

[Ifreann]

I'm not saying that they are right because they say so. I'm saying that I'm willing to accept their assessment over yours because they have relevant experience and expertise and as far as I know you do not. Now if you would like to defend your point by perhaps offering some reason why we should give credence to your assessment of the book, I'm sure we'd all be fascinated to hear it.

Ah. So I have to have some title to be able to properly offer my opinions on the matter. The reasoning I use simply isn't enough.

You haven't used any reasoning. You have simply declared, and I quote, "The sex scenes are really not that explicit. Middle schoolers can handle it. They've had health class." Why should I take you to be right and this committee to be wrong? They are parents and teachers, who are you? They know these middle schoolers and whether they have had health class and what it covered, do you?

Surely we should trust a bunch of prude parents to make the right decision. After all: they are authority figures.

What makes you think they're prudes? Defend your point. "I'm right because I say so" is not an argument.

[MERIZoC]

Ah. So I have to have some title to be able to properly offer my opinions on the matter. The reasoning I use simply isn't enough.

You haven't used any reasoning. You have simply declared, and I quote, "The sex scenes are really not that explicit. Middle schoolers can handle it. They've had health class." Why should I take you to be right and this committee to be wrong? They are parents and teachers, who are you? They know these middle schoolers and whether they have had health class and what it covered, do you?

Surely we should trust a bunch of prude parents to make the right decision. After all: they are authority figures.

What makes you think they're prudes? Defend your point. "I'm right because I say so" is not an argument.

And why can't they handle it? What's so bad about it?

I think they're prudes because they've banned a mildly explicit book.

[Mavorpen]

You haven't used any reasoning. You have simply declared, and I quote, "The sex scenes are really not that explicit. Middle schoolers can handle it. They've had health class." Why should I take you to be right and this committee to be wrong? They are parents and teachers, who are you? They know these middle schoolers and whether they have had health class and what it covered, do you?

What makes you think they're prudes? Defend your point. "I'm right because I say so" is not an argument.

And why can't they handle it? What's so bad about it?

I think they're prudes because they've banned a mildly explicit book.

So then they're not prudes? Because they didn't ban it. They removed it from the library. They aren't going on a witch hunt and setting up checkpoints that you have to pass through where they check your bags and stuff for the book.

[MERIZoC]

And why can't they handle it? What's so bad about it?

I think they're prudes because they've banned a mildly explicit book.

So then they're not prudes? Because they didn't ban it. They removed it from the library. They aren't going on a witch hunt and setting up checkpoints that you have to pass through where they check your bags and stuff for the book.

Whatever. You know what I mean.