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[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Squaddies are too stupid to be trusted with self monitoring on return to far flung war zones. Medical professionals aren't

Shocker.

[-Ebola-]

Whoops! Sanity is starting to prevail!

(CNN) -- New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Sunday night announced a major change in the state's policy on health workers who return to the United States from the Ebola zone, saying they'll be "asked to stay in their homes for a 21-day period," not put into mandatory quarantine.

Cuomo and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie announced the mandatory quarantine policy on Friday. Over the weekend, the Obama administration lobbied the governors to change it. Christie earlier said he wasn't changing the policy.

On Sunday, Cuomo described the revamped policy, saying health care workers will check on quarantined people twice daily to monitor their temperatures. They will be transferred to a hospital if they develop symptoms, he said.

"Returning passengers and health professionals who were not in contact with an infected person, but are returning from affected areas, will be monitored at a less rigorous level," the statement said.

The statement said "if the quarantined person's employer does not pay them for the weeks of absence, the government will. If an employer is going to put the employee at a disadvantage 'we will talk to employer to explain situation as necessary.'"

Source: Cuomo relaxes New York state policy on Ebola health worker quarantines

Probably a good balance between keeping the public safe and calming people's fears, but not hassling people more than necessary.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Whoops! Sanity is starting to prevail!



Source: Cuomo relaxes New York state policy on Ebola health worker quarantines

Probably a good balance between keeping the public safe and calming people's fears, but not hassling people more than necessary.

Yup. Answers the only serious concern the OP raised. In fact, I suspect the nice nurses who visit returning medical professionals will explain that unofficial policy is that they can do what they want, so long as their temps get measured twice a day. But Cuomo isn't gonna admit that he over-reacted.

[-Ebola-]

Probably a good balance between keeping the public safe and calming people's fears, but not hassling people more than necessary.

Yup. Answers the only serious concern the OP raised. In fact, I suspect the nice nurses who visit returning medical professionals will explain that unofficial policy is that they can do what they want, so long as their temps get measured twice a day. But Cuomo isn't gonna admit that he over-reacted.

I guess now everybody just has to make sure they get a flight to La Guardia instead of Newark so they don't have to deal with New Jersey...

[Master Shake]

Great now we have no clue what is being talked about except it has something to with this overhyped Ebola crap...

Anyone remember Sars or Swine Flu...how about Bipolar Bovines...?



Yeah five years from now everyone will laugh about Ebola..

[Blakk Metal]

Great now we have no clue what is being talked about except it has something to with this overhyped Ebola crap...

Anyone remember Sars or Swine Flu...how about Bipolar Bovines...?



Yeah five years from now everyone will laugh about Ebola..

People have been talking about Ebola for years.

[West Aurelia]

The difference between US vs UK Ebola news coverage - Russell Howard's Good News.

This is fucking hilarious.

[Great Nepal]

The difference between US vs UK Ebola news coverage - Russell Howard's Good News.

This is fucking hilarious.

That is brilliant, didn't know US was going into so much panic...
Oh and any comments from Ebola regarding professor's claim that Ebola wont like it here in Britain?

[Northwest Slobovia]

Great now we have no clue what is being talked about except it has something to with this overhyped Ebola crap...

Anyone remember Sars or Swine Flu...how about Bipolar Bovines...?



Yeah five years from now everyone will laugh about Ebola..

Oh, I certainly hope so. That means we got on the ball and did something definitive about it.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Meanwhile, the clue outbreak spreads to New Jersey:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie announced Monday that a nurse who was quarantined in Newark after returning from treating Ebola-afflicted people in West Africa would be released and allowed to go home after she tested negative.

Christie’s move followed a barrage of criticism from civil rights groups, aid agencies and White House officials, who said the quarantine measures announced Friday would discourage much-needed medical personnel from going to fight the Ebola outbreak in Africa.

Nurse Kaci Hickox complained that she was put in an unheated tent on the grounds of Newark University Hospital after returning from Sierra Leone on Friday. She tested negative for Ebola, which has a 21-day incubation period.

In a statement Monday from New Jersey’s department of health, officials said Hickox “has thankfully been symptom free for the past 24 hours.”

Whoa! You mean we can test people for ebola, and not just treat everybody like they have it?? It's like science or something...

I expect Governor Christie will also quietly back down from his previous asinine policy, while never admitting he suffered an acute case of rectal-cranial inversion.

[-Ebola-]

The difference between US vs UK Ebola news coverage - Russell Howard's Good News.

This is fucking hilarious.

That is brilliant, didn't know US was going into so much panic...

This is why Americans elect so many terrible politicians and the US does so many dumb things, because it's a democracy and everyone is watching terrible news coverage.

Oh and any comments from Ebola regarding professor's claim that Ebola wont like it here in Britain?

Well, it's hard to judge a country that I've never been to, but it might be too cold for my tastes, not enough wild monkeys, and I think Africa has a better selection of bats.

[-Black Plague-]

Remember when I was the scariest disease? I died out after a few years. Sure, thousands died, but so did I. Ebola will be the same.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Remember when I was the scariest disease? I died out after a few years. Sure, thousands died, but so did I. Ebola will be the same.

You're still around, don't have an existential crisis on us. It's just that you've been driven back to infecting small populations of animals, and frankly, we don't care about them. Once in a while, a person gets bubonic plague, but you're so out of the loop, you haven't ever heard of antibiotic resistance...

[-Ebola-]

Remember when I was the scariest disease? I died out after a few years. Sure, thousands died, but so did I. Ebola will be the same.

You're still around, don't have an existential crisis on us. It's just that you've been driven back to infecting small populations of animals, and frankly, we don't care about them. Once in a while, a person gets bubonic plague, but you're so out of the loop, you haven't ever heard of antibiotic resistance...

You sure you want to talk about antibiotic resistance when Yersinia's around? You'll give it ideas.

[Northwest Slobovia]

You're still around, don't have an existential crisis on us. It's just that you've been driven back to infecting small populations of animals, and frankly, we don't care about them. Once in a while, a person gets bubonic plague, but you're so out of the loop, you haven't ever heard of antibiotic resistance...

You sure you want to talk about antibiotic resistance when Yersinia's around? You'll give it ideas.

Eh, by and large, there's no point for good ol' YP to need it. Very few animals have access to antibiotics, so there's little selective pressure for it. Genetic drift will eventually get any resistance factor YP picks up.

[-Ebola-]

You sure you want to talk about antibiotic resistance when Yersinia's around? You'll give it ideas.

Eh, by and large, there's no point for good ol' YP to need it. Very few animals have access to antibiotics, so there's little selective pressure for it. Genetic drift will eventually get any resistance factor YP picks up.

There are still human infections now and then. You don't think it'd be a problem if there was an antibiotic-resistant version? I mean, as much as you guys are panicking about my brothers living in human neighborhoods, I would think that would be a big deal if someone got infected with antibiotic-resistant Plague.

[West Pacific]

This couldn't go in the Ebola megathread?

I think the mandatory quarantine is unneeded.

No, because I was more interested in the poll results than a protracted debate. Obviously an admin somewhere decided to just go ahead and merge this as if the two topics are one in the same and to throw the poll question out, I picture an admin going "F yo poll, poster! F yo poll!" like Dave Chappelle would when playing the role of Rick James.

[West Pacific]

Yes, it can be. Go find out how many doctors and nurses there are treating ebola patients, compare that to the number who got it, and report back.

I don't care about the total number, what I care about is that these people are at the highest risk for infection and something as minimal as a quarantine is hardly the stuff of human rights violations or violations of a person's rights. Since you want hard numbers though: Per the WHO, 10,000 cases, 440 of them health workers, half have died.

Uh, yeah. The initial symptoms are GI distress (ie diarrhea, sometimes bloody) and fever. SOP for these people is checking their temps twice a day, and the last person to get it called 911 immediately on getting symptoms. The SOP works just fine, thanks.

The last person to get it called immediately upon realizing they had symptoms. The two are not one in the same.

Oh, so you have a shitty life, so other people should have one too? Good reason there...

I was subject to precautions deemed necessary and acceptable, I accept this. I did not go telling the media my rights were violated because the government wanted to monitor me and slowly re-introduced deployed service members to normal day-to-day life.

You mean like the current working SOP?

No, something a bit more isolated would be nice. We've got infected people flying around the country. I'm fine with putting someone in quarantine in their own house/apartment but there needs to be some way to make sure that person doesn't leave.

Some do, some don't. If you want to write off all people with asthma as having "one foot in the grave", you're discounting rather a lot of young, healthy Americans who just need to be careful when they get sick. The flu kills plenty of kids and perfectly healthy adults too, with the fraction varying from year to year and strain to strain. In short, yes, total mortality is what sensible people worry about, not the disease's novelty or special effects.

I definitely wouldn't classify someone with asthma as being a "healthy American" any more than I would someone who is obese. With the exception of H1N1, the Spanish Flu and other such strains that basically trick the immune system into attacking the body instead of the disease , very few people people die from the flu but rather from a secondary infection such as pneumonia. And how did we respond to the Spanish Flu and H1N1? With quarantines. I was at NS Great Lakes during the height of the H1N1 outbreak, there was an entire barracks devoted to housing suspected cases of H1N1 to isolate those individuals and prevent further spread of the disease.

If you're volunteering to spend a month locked in a hospital room, feel free, but to deter doctors and nurses from curing the sick due to your ignorance of current working methods to keep them and us safe is simply wrong.

I am volunteering to do no such thing as I have not been in an infected zone. However, I am a Seabee, which means if this thing goes on long enough I will probably get a call saying it's my turn to head over to an infected country to build clinics in which case I fully expect to be subject to a quarantine because if the Army is going to quarantine a major general for 21 days, I suspect they will have no problem putting a petty officer in quarantine as well. This isn't a punishment, it's a precaution.

[Blakk Metal]

Remember when I was the scariest disease? I died out after a few years. Sure, thousands died, but so did I. Ebola will be the same.

You didn't die out, after you killed a fourth of the world you persisted in Eurasia for a while regularly out killing Ebola and then went obscure.

[West Pacific]

Remember when I was the scariest disease? I died out after a few years. Sure, thousands died, but so did I. Ebola will be the same.

You didn't die out, after you killed a fourth of the world you persisted in Eurasia for a while regularly out killing Ebola and then went obscure.

Isn't it still making the rounds in Southeast Asia?

[Northwest Slobovia]

And sanity comes to Illinois, as the government there "clarifies" its position:

Illinois health officials noted that in the week since screening began nationwide, Illinois has received fewer than five known travelers from Ebola-affected areas. Officials also clarified that any quarantine would not include medical workers who wore appropriate protective clothing unless they had a "breach," which would prompt an individual assessment.

In short, it's not gonna cover anybody, since I doubt any medical professional who actually got blood (etc) from an ebola patient on them is gonna want to do anything other than be medevac'd to a major hospital so they don't, y'know, die horribly, blood pouring out of every orifice.

[-Black Plague-]

You didn't die out, after you killed a fourth of the world you persisted in Eurasia for a while regularly out killing Ebola and then went obscure.

Isn't it still making the rounds in Southeast Asia?

I call it a holiday.

[Socialist Tera]

http://news.google.com.au/news/url?sr=1 ... 3Am&ssid=m
the question is why, isn't a top priority? Is it because the cure won't generate enough profits or something? Can some capitalist explain to me why the cure is being delayed?

[Ashmoria]

The difference between US vs UK Ebola news coverage - Russell Howard's Good News.

This is fucking hilarious.

That is brilliant, didn't know US was going into so much panic...
Oh and any comments from Ebola regarding professor's claim that Ebola wont like it here in Britain?

I don't think anyone outside the news is panicking.

part of is is the need for news networks to fill time and be compelling. part of it is due to having an election next Tuesday and hoping that panic over ebola will give republicans a boost at the polls. (which makes no sense considering that it is republicans who cut spending to useless programs like the CDC. but we don't have a very sensible electorate)

they are trying hard but its hard to panic over a disease that youre not going to get.

[The Uup Command]

The 1918 flu epidemic infected 500 million people, and killed about 50-100 million of those.

Did the world end?

No!

Nope