RESOLVED: Atheist Airman Allowed To Modify Oath

by **Ifreann** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:47 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:perhaps school children should say it to remind them that God is watching them and that they should behave

You reduce God to the level of Santa.

Santa gives out presents, though. God just gets pissy when he's not in oaths.

by **Death Metal** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:52 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
It should be worth noting that people who want to make people say the oath without the affirmation are as equally guilty of this as the ones who want people to be forced to say the oath with it..

Who wants that?

I thought I saw arguments toward that in this thread but offhand I can't remember whom. Course I could have just gotten the wrong impression from them. But militant atheism kind of rubs me the wrong way as they tend to use tactics similar to those they accuse theists of using.

by **Death Metal** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:56 am

Ifreann wrote: God just gets pissy when he's not in oaths.

Or when women eat apples. Or when people live too long. Or aren't subservient to him. And that's just three of the temper tantrums he throws in Genesis alone.

For a diety who is supposed to be loving, he sure gets angry a lot over some pretty petty shit.

by **Dyakovo** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:06 am

Death Metal wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Who wants that?

I thought I saw arguments toward that in this thread but offhand I can't remember whom. Course I could have just gotten the wrong impression from them. But militant atheism kind of rubs me the wrong way as they tend to use tactics similar to those they accuse theists of using.

by **Death Metal** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:30 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
I thought I saw arguments toward that in this thread but offhand I can't remember whom. Course I could have just gotten the wrong impression from them. But militant atheism kind of rubs me the wrong way as they tend to use tactics similar to those they accuse theists of using.

Oh come on. You know exactly what I mean by militant, and that's people who attempt to convert everyone else to their religion.

But since you brought it up...

Obviously violent atheists are a very small portion of atheists who in no way represent atheists as a whole, but to deny they don't exist is just ignorance.

by **The Alma Mater** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:30 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
It should be worth noting that people who want to make people say the oath without the affirmation are as equally guilty of this as the ones who want people to be forced to say the oath with it..

Who wants that?

Jesus

by **Tekania** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:43 am

I personally dislike the classification of those who are for the forced invocation of God in the oath as Christian. IMHO a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ, and as Christ taught us not to swear upon anyone on Earth or in Heaven, it is quite clear they have no interest in Christ's teachings. Not sure what they are, though maybe given their legalistic obsession with the misapplication of Mosaic and Levitcal law as a form of social control and self-promotion.... Pharisee may work as an accurate descriptor.

by **Tekania** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:52 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
I thought I saw arguments toward that in this thread but offhand I can't remember whom. Course I could have just gotten the wrong impression from them. But militant atheism kind of rubs me the wrong way as they tend to use tactics similar to those they accuse theists of using.

That is a horrible picture there. Bad comparison. "Militant Atheists" are rarely as aggressive as the one in that picture.

by **Laerod** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:53 am

Tekania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:

That is a horrible picture there. Bad comparison. "Militant Atheists" are rarely as aggressive as the one in that picture.

It's kinda clear he hasn't had his coffee yet.

by **Death Metal** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:07 am

Tekania wrote: it is quite clear they have no interest in Christ's teachings.

As if the rest of the positions of the religious right weren't clear enough, you mean.

by **Burleson** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:09 am

Valentir wrote:Atheists cannot serve in the God Fearing American Military.

#Godisn'tDead #BringbackChristanity

by **Burleson** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:10 am

How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help? They can't, that's how.

by **Tekania** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:12 am

Death Metal wrote:
Tekania wrote: it is quite clear they have no interest in Christ's teachings.

As if the rest of the positions of the religious right weren't clear enough, you mean.

Well... true.... There are post size limit restrictions on this forum, you know.

by **Dewhurst-Narculis** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:12 am

Burleson wrote:How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help? They can't, that's how.

Not sure if sarcastic or just incredibly late to the party

by **Laerod** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:12 am

Burleson wrote:
Valentir wrote:Atheists cannot serve in the God Fearing American Military.

#Godisn'tDead #BringbackChristanity

:clap:

Their sig says they're agnostic. You may have fallen foul of Poe's Law there.

Burleson wrote:How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help? They can't, that's how.

That's the second time you've made a completely absurd statement regarding God or Christianity today. Are you sure you know what either is?

by **L Ron Cupboard** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:12 am

Burleson wrote:How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help? They can't, that's how.

Is this what passes for a logical argument nowadays?

by **Death Metal** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:14 am

Burleson wrote:
Valentir wrote:Atheists cannot serve in the God Fearing American Military.

#Godisn'tDead #BringbackChristanity

A terrible Kevin Sorbo movie and an inherently un-Christian statement are not clapworthy arguments.

#Alsothisisnttwitter #Thatisnotdeadwhichcaneternallie #Yahwehisnotgoodenoughformetoworship #Pagansandathiestsfollowchriststeachingsbetterthanyouanactualchristiandoes

by **UBS** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:14 am

the guy is being a huge baby,just say so help me god,i mean really does this guy NEVER say "oh my god" or "JESUS,sorry you scared me"

by **Ifreann** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:14 am

Burleson wrote:How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help? They can't, that's how.

The USAF seem perfectly satisfied with this airman's service so far. But I'm sure they don't know anything about military service compared to you.

by **New Rendanska** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:15 am

Gotta love that bit in the US constitution about separating church and state, right?

by **Ifreann** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:15 am

UBS wrote:the guy is being a huge baby,just say so help me god,i mean really does this guy NEVER say "oh my god" or "JESUS,sorry you scared me"

Have you missed that the Air Force have changed their policies back and no longer require people to swear by God?

by **Laerod** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:16 am

UBS wrote:the guy is being a huge baby,just say so help me god,i mean really does this guy NEVER say "oh my god" or "JESUS,sorry you scared me"

Would you have a problem saying "Hail Satan" every time when signing something?

by **Laerod** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:17 am

New Rendanska wrote:Gotta love that bit in the US constitution about separating church and state, right?

Nothing in the Constitution says I have to! >=O

by **Death Metal** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:18 am

Burleson wrote:How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help?

Very well, seeing as the greatest military minds of all time were a Buddhist and a Confucianist repesctively.

by **Laerod** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:20 am

Death Metal wrote:
Burleson wrote:How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help?

Very well, seeing as the greatest military minds of all time were a Buddhist and a Confucianist repesctively.

Be fair. He isn't saying "without believing in God", he's merely asserting that God loves Buddhists and Confucianists!

RESOLVED: Atheist Airman Allowed To Modify Oath

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