Firing Squad

[Zathganastan]

Personally I prefer madame guillotine, quick, painless, and nearly idiot proof to point where it can't possibly fail to kill in one swift motion.
Although I suppose firing squads work to.

[The Serbian Empire]

If there's a death sentence give them the "Choot 'em, Clint" or Guillotine.

[Threlizdun]

There is no form of the death penalty that is cheaper or more ethical than rehabilitation.

Cheaper? I mean yeah sure if we bring back chain gangs.

Yes cheaper, life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty. Rehabilitation easily is cheaper.

[The Serbian Empire]

Cheaper? I mean yeah sure if we bring back chain gangs.

Yes cheaper, life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty. Rehabilitation easily is cheaper.

Back on the chain gang, I have a picture of Harley Quinn.

[Infected Mushroom]

A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

if you do that, you miss out on the opportunity for the government to provide jobs.

Also, I'm sure firing squad members need to be trained and take a long time to hone their skills at the art of humane execution shots. If I am to be executed for example (assuming I committed a serious crime), I think I should have the right to be expected to be executed by a professional (with minimal chances of botching up and hitting my knee).

Let's not democratize something that requires expertise and miss out on an opportunity to provide permanent jobs.

[Galter Gulcher]

A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

if you do that, you miss out on the opportunity for the government to provide jobs.

Also, I'm sure firing squad members need to be trained and take a long time to hone their skills at the art of humane execution shots. If I am to be executed for example (assuming I committed a serious crime), I think I should have the right to be expected to be executed by a professional (with minimal chances of botching up and hitting my knee).

Let's not democratize something that requires expertise and miss out on an opportunity to provide permanent jobs.

Why would they be paid though? I mean, as I said I would volunteer. No need for paid professionals.

[The Orson Empire]

The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.

In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.

There are machines that do this. In fact, IIRC, there was a machine specifically designed to be a firing squad used in the late 1800's. It was only used once because the people there thought that it was wrong to use something that couldn't feel guilt.

Very interesting.

[Infected Mushroom]

if you do that, you miss out on the opportunity for the government to provide jobs.

Also, I'm sure firing squad members need to be trained and take a long time to hone their skills at the art of humane execution shots. If I am to be executed for example (assuming I committed a serious crime), I think I should have the right to be expected to be executed by a professional (with minimal chances of botching up and hitting my knee).

Let's not democratize something that requires expertise and miss out on an opportunity to provide permanent jobs.

Why would they be paid though? I mean, as I said I would volunteer. No need for paid professionals.

how good is your marksmanship?

[The Orson Empire]

A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

The only problem is that not everyone in a society will support the death penalty. You would also be forcing people who are opposed to it to partake in it, which would not end well.

[Galter Gulcher]

Why would they be paid though? I mean, as I said I would volunteer. No need for paid professionals.

how good is your marksmanship?

I hit a dinner plate with my AR today at about 100 yards.

[Infected Mushroom]

A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

The only problem is that not everyone in a society will support the death penalty. You would also be forcing people who are opposed to it to partake in it, which would not end well.

also, its not barbaric so long as no one is tortured.

Its actually a dignified way to bring swift justice to society's most violent criminals; something I would argue is necessary for society's guaranteed protection (violent criminals could escape prisons and hurt others again) and to achieve real justice (if you take a life, you should give yours).

[Dyakovo]

Why would they be paid though? I mean, as I said I would volunteer. No need for paid professionals.

how good is your marksmanship?

Probably pretty bad when he's fapping.

[Gauthier]

If there's a death sentence give them the "Choot 'em, Clint" or Guillotine.

People aren't gators.

[Dyakovo]

The only problem is that not everyone in a society will support the death penalty. You would also be forcing people who are opposed to it to partake in it, which would not end well.

also, its not barbaric so long as no one is tortured.

It's barbaric with or without torture.

[Infected Mushroom]

how good is your marksmanship?

I hit a dinner plate with my AR today at about 100 yards.

ah I see...

I'm imagining a society where only the state can own guns.

Though I suppose if you implement in America and allow volunteers, they would need to pass a marksmanship qualification? It would be terrible if the executed had to be shot over and over and over because of poor marksmanship on the part of the volunteers. It would make things messy and inhumane.

I think in China where they still have it they don't allow volunteers but only use real professional state-licensed marksmen.

[Galter Gulcher]

how good is your marksmanship?

Probably pretty bad when he's fapping.

No, its pretty good. And I do not speak from experience.

[Pandeeria]

I'm against the death penalty, but even if I was for it, I would still be against firing squads. It would be better to just have someone shoot the guilty person in the head twice.

The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.

In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.

Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.

Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.

[Scomagia]

The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.

In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.

Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.

Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.

Machines are a cop out.

[United Marxist Nations]

Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.

Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.

Machines are a cop out.

Hence why they stopped using it.

But still, that's no less reason.

[Pandeeria]

Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.

Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.

Machines are a cop out.

That's a rather arbitrary and trivial counter argument.

Explain further.

[Valkalan]

I hit a dinner plate with my AR today at about 100 yards.

Not bad. I had to shoot human-sized targets at ranges of up to 300 meters using an M16A2 at Ft Sill. The experience was rather unpleasant due to the cold.

The targets at Ft Sill are affectionately referred to as "Ivan."

[The Fascist American Empire]

I'd rather die like a man (shot), than die through a lethal injection that may or may not be botched.

[Infected Mushroom]

The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.

In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.

Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.

Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.

i'm sure with today's technology, they could engineer a completely functional model.

The issue would be, is it more or less humane than the present system with the chemicals? I'm no expert...

[Scomagia]

Machines are a cop out.

That's a rather arbitrary and trivial counter argument.

Explain further.

The use of a machine allows for society and those involved in the execution to further distance themselves from the responsibility of ending someone's life. Blank cartridges and lethal injections do, as well.

[United Marxist Nations]

That's a rather arbitrary and trivial counter argument.

Explain further.

The use of a machine allows for society and those involved in the execution to further distance themselves from the responsibility of ending someone's life. Blank cartridges and lethal injections do, as well.

So, again, arbitrary and trivial.