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Do you support the return of firing squads

Yes
96
39%
No
26
10%
In some cases
42
17%
Not painful enough of a death
19
8%
No I am against the death sentence
66
27%
 
Total votes : 249

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:41 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Only if we force you to do it yourself.



:eyebrow: I'm not a felon.

Yet.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:41 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Only if we force you to do it yourself.



:eyebrow: I'm not a felon.

You want to call for barbarism, you can fucking carry it out.
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Lavan Tiri
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:42 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Rope, nails, and wood aren't cheap?

There are these things called appeals, something you would have realized if you knew fuck all about the law. Also, I'm still waiting for that source.


Let's say the appeal fails, or whatever it's called. If they can do that. (#cluelessme).

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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:42 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

:eyebrow: I'm not a felon.

You want to call for barbarism, you can fucking carry it out.


I don't call for barbarism, I just call for getting rid of the barbarians.
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Scomagia
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:44 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Scomagia wrote:There are these things called appeals, something you would have realized if you knew fuck all about the law. Also, I'm still waiting for that source.


Let's say the appeal fails, or whatever it's called. If they can do that. (#cluelessme).

The condemned has the right to many appeals against their sentence, which is expensive. It's also a necessary function that has kept more than a few innocent men and women from being wrongfully killed.
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Avenio
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Postby Avenio » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:44 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:

:eyebrow: I'm not a felon.

Yet.


With the kind of people who spend their leisure time salivating over horrible ways to kill people, it really is only a matter of time.

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:44 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You want to call for barbarism, you can fucking carry it out.


I don't call for barbarism, I just call for getting rid of the barbarians.

So, you're volunteering to go first?
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Scomagia
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:45 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You want to call for barbarism, you can fucking carry it out.


I don't call for barbarism, I just call for getting rid of the barbarians.

Calling for feeding people to wolves is barbaric.
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:45 pm

Avenio wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Yet.


With the kind of people who spend their leisure time salivating over horrible ways to kill people, it really is only a matter of time.


I dont salvate over horrible ways to kill people. I salvate over ways to kill horrible people.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:46 pm

I'm against the death penalty, but even if I was for it, I would still be against firing squads. It would be better to just have someone shoot the guilty person in the head twice.
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Lavan Tiri
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:47 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Let's say the appeal fails, or whatever it's called. If they can do that. (#cluelessme).

The condemned has the right to many appeals against their sentence, which is expensive. It's also a necessary function that has kept more than a few innocent men and women from being wrongfully killed.


Is there a law to limit the number of appeals?

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Avenio
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Postby Avenio » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:47 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Avenio wrote:
With the kind of people who spend their leisure time salivating over horrible ways to kill people, it really is only a matter of time.


I dont salvate over horrible ways to kill people. I salvate over ways to kill horrible people.


Can't even finish that sentence it excites you so much, eh?

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Valkalan
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Postby Valkalan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:47 pm

Firing squads waste too much ammunition. We should employ more cost-effective methods of execution.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:47 pm

I am against the death penalty, as I view it as hypocritical and barbaric.

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United Marxist Nations
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:49 pm

Pandeeria wrote:I'm against the death penalty, but even if I was for it, I would still be against firing squads. It would be better to just have someone shoot the guilty person in the head twice.

What's wrong with firing squads specifically?
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:50 pm

Valkalan wrote:Firing squads waste too much ammunition. We should employ more cost-effective methods of execution.


Like hungry bears? Drowning? What are you going at here.
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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:51 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Valkalan wrote:Firing squads waste too much ammunition. We should employ more cost-effective methods of execution.


Like hungry bears? Drowning? What are you going at here.

Like not doing it.
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:52 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:
Like hungry bears? Drowning? What are you going at here.

Like not doing it.


Then don't do the crime.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:52 pm

Pandeeria wrote:I'm against the death penalty, but even if I was for it, I would still be against firing squads. It would be better to just have someone shoot the guilty person in the head twice.

The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.

In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.

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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:53 pm

There is no form of the death penalty that is cheaper or more ethical than rehabilitation.
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Valkalan
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Postby Valkalan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:53 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Valkalan wrote:Firing squads waste too much ammunition. We should employ more cost-effective methods of execution.


Like hungry bears? Drowning? What are you going at here.

Guillotines for instance. Devices that can kill quickly and can be reused all at a minimum of expense.
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:53 pm

Threlizdun wrote:There is no form of the death penalty that is cheaper or more ethical than rehabilitation.


Cheaper? :eyebrow: I mean yeah sure if we bring back chain gangs.
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:53 pm

Valkalan wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:
Like hungry bears? Drowning? What are you going at here.

Guillotines for instance. Devices that can kill quickly and can be reused all at a minimum of expense.


:hug:
I like you.
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United Marxist Nations
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:54 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:I'm against the death penalty, but even if I was for it, I would still be against firing squads. It would be better to just have someone shoot the guilty person in the head twice.

The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.

In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.

There are machines that do this. In fact, IIRC, there was a machine specifically designed to be a firing squad used in the late 1800's. It was only used once because the people there thought that it was wrong to use something that couldn't feel guilt.
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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:55 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:There is no form of the death penalty that is cheaper or more ethical than rehabilitation.


Cheaper?

Yes, cheaper.
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