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by Zathganastan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:55 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:55 pm
by Threlizdun » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:55 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:57 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:57 pm
Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.
by Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:00 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.
if you do that, you miss out on the opportunity for the government to provide jobs.
Also, I'm sure firing squad members need to be trained and take a long time to hone their skills at the art of humane execution shots. If I am to be executed for example (assuming I committed a serious crime), I think I should have the right to be expected to be executed by a professional (with minimal chances of botching up and hitting my knee).
Let's not democratize something that requires expertise and miss out on an opportunity to provide permanent jobs.
by The Orson Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:00 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.
In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.
There are machines that do this. In fact, IIRC, there was a machine specifically designed to be a firing squad used in the late 1800's. It was only used once because the people there thought that it was wrong to use something that couldn't feel guilt.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:01 pm
Galter Gulcher wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
if you do that, you miss out on the opportunity for the government to provide jobs.
Also, I'm sure firing squad members need to be trained and take a long time to hone their skills at the art of humane execution shots. If I am to be executed for example (assuming I committed a serious crime), I think I should have the right to be expected to be executed by a professional (with minimal chances of botching up and hitting my knee).
Let's not democratize something that requires expertise and miss out on an opportunity to provide permanent jobs.
Why would they be paid though? I mean, as I said I would volunteer. No need for paid professionals.
by The Orson Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:01 pm
Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.
by Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:04 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:04 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.
The only problem is that not everyone in a society will support the death penalty. You would also be forcing people who are opposed to it to partake in it, which would not end well.
by Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:04 pm
by Gauthier » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:05 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:If there's a death sentence give them the "Choot 'em, Clint" or Guillotine.
by Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:06 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:06 pm
by Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:07 pm
by Pandeeria » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:09 pm
The Orson Empire wrote:Pandeeria wrote:I'm against the death penalty, but even if I was for it, I would still be against firing squads. It would be better to just have someone shoot the guilty person in the head twice.
The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.
In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:10 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.
In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.
Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.
Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.
by United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:11 pm
Scomagia wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.
Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.
Machines are a cop out.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Pandeeria » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:12 pm
Scomagia wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.
Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.
Machines are a cop out.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Valkalan » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:13 pm
Galter Gulcher wrote:I hit a dinner plate with my AR today at about 100 yards.
by The Fascist American Empire » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:13 pm
You obviously do since you posted a response like the shifty little red velvet pseudo ant you are. Yes I am onto your little tricks you hissing pest you exoskeleton brier patch you. Now crawl back in to that patch of grass you call hell and hiss some more. -Benuty
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:14 pm
Pandeeria wrote:The Orson Empire wrote:The reason a firing squad would be used, and not a single shooter, is because of the diffusion of responsibility.
In some cases, one or more members of the squad will be issued weapons containing blank cartridges, and no member is told that they are using live ammunition. This allows each member of the firing squad to believe that they did not fire the fatal shot, which would eliminate any life-long guilt or depression they would suffer from having to kill a person.
Oh yes, sorry for forgetting something so important.
Anyways, as Marxi said, there are machines that do it. Perhaps have the person strapped down, have a (powerful) pistol to their head and then have six people press a button. However, only two of the six buttons will fire a bullet.
by Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:14 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:15 pm
Scomagia wrote:
The use of a machine allows for society and those involved in the execution to further distance themselves from the responsibility of ending someone's life. Blank cartridges and lethal injections do, as well.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
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