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Do you support the return of firing squads

Yes
96
39%
No
26
10%
In some cases
42
17%
Not painful enough of a death
19
8%
No I am against the death sentence
66
27%
 
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Galter Gulcher
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:25 pm

So I was reading today about a guy Ronnie Lee Garder who was killed as early as 2010 (good riddance) by a five man firing squad. I spent some time thinking about capital punishment and decided to open up a thread not about capital punishment but about the use of firing squads as a punishment. Personally, I would support the use of firing squads in some cases, although honestly I think they are simply going to easy on them with that route.

What do you think NS? Do you support the use of firing squads, or do you whimper against such punishments?
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Postby Ulrenon » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:28 pm

I'd rather be shot like a man than strapped to a table and killed by injections.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:28 pm

If executions are used, the firing squad is among the most humane.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:30 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:If executions are used, the firing squad is among the most humane.


I'm pretty sure I'd prefer an injection. Though, not one of those American cocktails that does a terrible job.

In any case, I'm firmly against the death penalty.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:32 pm

A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:32 pm

Hanging. Cheap, quick, deters some crime.

The very worst should be crucified shot through the neck.

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Postby Adin » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:32 pm

I'm not against the Death Plenty because some people simply don't deserve to live. However, I am against the unnecessary pain wrought by some of the more brutal ones. By far the Firing Squad is a humane thing because I'll simply be shot in the back of the head where the bullet will then enter the brain stem killing me. It must be done like that else I'm against it.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:33 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:Hanging. Cheap, quick, deters some crime.

The very worst should be crucified shot through the neck.

Death penalty isn't cheap. Source that it deters crime.
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Postby Lalaki » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:33 pm

I am against the death penalty.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:34 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:If executions are used, the firing squad is among the most humane.


I'm pretty sure I'd prefer an injection. Though, not one of those American cocktails that does a terrible job.

In any case, I'm firmly against the death penalty.

Why would you prefer an injection? Firing squad is pretty damn quick.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:34 pm

Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

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Postby The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:35 pm

I'm absolutely against capital punishment of any kind, but I would actually prefer a firing squad over lethal injections or whatever. That way, people can actually see the true nature of executions and realize that they aren't such a good idea. Instead of it being sugar-coated by the notion that "it's just a harmless injection, they'll die peacefully".

Also, it's at least good that the person who fired the lethal shot isn't identified, as having that on one's conscience can mess you up.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:35 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:So I was reading today about a guy Ronnie Lee Garder who was killed as early as 2010 (good riddance) by a five man firing squad. I spent some time thinking about capital punishment and decided to open up a thread not about capital punishment but about the use of firing squads as a punishment. Personally, I would support the use of firing squads in some cases, although honestly I think they are simply going to easy on them with that route.

What do you think NS? Do you support the use of firing squads, or do you whimper against such punishments?

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Postby United States of The One Percent » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:36 pm

What the U.S. may be beginning to learn is that there is no way to humanely take the life of someone who does not want to die. Since capital punishment does not deter crime and is an instrument of vengeance, not justice, I would support the loved ones of the victim(s) doing away with those convicted of the crime(s) by any means they chose, as long as the proceedings were broadcast live on all news media. After a couple three such reality shows there should be little public sentiment left in favor of the death penalty.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:37 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:Hanging. Cheap, quick, deters some crime.

The very worst should be crucified shot through the neck.

Death penalty isn't cheap. Source that it deters crime.


Rope, nails, and wood aren't cheap?

And, OK, it might not deter all crime, i.e. the people who murder because of some mental issue or depression or something like that, but some people who are in control of their facilities are gonna be scared off by the prospect of death. The main benefit is A) Getting murders/rapists/traitors off the streets, and B) Gives closure to the victim or their families.
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:37 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:Hanging. Cheap, quick, deters some crime.

The very worst should be crucified shot through the neck.


Still a bit to nice to them, why not fed to starving pack of wolves
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'd prefer an injection. Though, not one of those American cocktails that does a terrible job.

In any case, I'm firmly against the death penalty.

Why would you prefer an injection? Firing squad is pretty damn quick.


Well, yeah. But I don't like the idea of being strapped to a pole with a blind-fold. Besides which, at least some part of me would worry that the bullet wouldn't do the job properly...

Note that this isn't actually a very logical argument. In any case, I'd say that injection gives a bit less mess, doesn't it?
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Death penalty isn't cheap. Source that it deters crime.


Rope, nails, and wood aren't cheap?

There are these things called appeals, something you would have realized if you knew fuck all about the law. Also, I'm still waiting for that source.
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.



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Postby The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.

Well, I'd rather only have people for the death penalty be put into this lottery. After all, what is it going to accomplish to force someone already against the death penalty to potentially murder someone? This isn't the Hunger Games. It would also violate many people's moral and/or religious ideals, which is generally bad.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Death penalty isn't cheap. Source that it deters crime.


Rope, nails, and wood aren't cheap?

Appeals aren't cheap.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:38 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:Hanging. Cheap, quick, deters some crime.

The very worst should be crucified shot through the neck.


Still a bit to nice to them, why not fed to starving pack of wolves

Only if we force you to do it yourself.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:39 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Why would you prefer an injection? Firing squad is pretty damn quick.


Well, yeah. But I don't like the idea of being strapped to a pole with a blind-fold. Besides which, at least some part of me would worry that the bullet wouldn't do the job properly...

Note that this isn't actually a very logical argument. In any case, I'd say that injection gives a bit less mess, doesn't it?

What's the difference between that and being strapped to the table? And I'd say there's probably less margin for error than with injection.
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:39 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Galter Gulcher wrote:
Still a bit to nice to them, why not fed to starving pack of wolves

Only if we force you to do it yourself.



:eyebrow: I'm not a felon.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:41 pm

Galter Gulcher wrote:
Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.



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