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by Freiheit Reich » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:50 pm
by Atlanticatia » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:03 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:5 reasons to take Rand Paul seriously:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/5 ... 89105.html
by Death Metal » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:18 pm
Atlanticatia wrote:That's what I got from that article. He's overrated. He's just another right wing conservative with basically one moderate about imprisonment that gets called "libertarian".
by Alien Space Bats » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:37 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Mavorpen wrote:I'm willing to believe he said something along those lines. I'm NOT willing to believe he said it when the only source is a gossip book. Yes, that's what that book is. It's a gossip book, like ALL of the books Kessler has written. He's less reliable than Ann Coulter.
Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:
http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40889
Were you aware that in order to break the racist ways of Southern Democrats, it was Republican President Eisenhower who sponsored both Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and it was a LBJ lead Senate who fought tooth and nail against them?
by Death Metal » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:44 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:
http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40889
Were you aware that in order to break the racist ways of Southern Democrats, it was Republican President Eisenhower who sponsored both Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and it was a LBJ lead Senate who fought tooth and nail against them?
Does it REALLY matter who was more of a racist asshole in the past? I mean, we could get into an LBJ vs. Nixon pissing match, noting how each man was deeply racist in their personal thinking, and yet did good things for the African-American community on the basis of political calculation (however cynical said calculation might be)?
The REAL question is not, "Which Party has defecated longer and harder on American blacks?" They've BOTH been shitty, each in their own way and time; and both CONTINUE to be shitty, each in its own inimitable way.
The REAL question — and the ONLY question — is: "Which Party offers the better deal to American blacks TODAY?"
And when it's put THAT way, it's kind of hard to argue right now that the GOP's the answer to that question. I mean, why would it be the Party that denies the existence of racism, actively tries to make it harder for African-Americans to vote, and generally couldn't give two wet shits about what happens to urban black populations, or the cities in which they live? How cold that kind of malign neglect and willful political disenfranchisement POSSIBLY be "better" for blacks?!?
by Mavorpen » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:47 pm
Death Metal wrote:Alien Space Bats wrote:Does it REALLY matter who was more of a racist asshole in the past? I mean, we could get into an LBJ vs. Nixon pissing match, noting how each man was deeply racist in their personal thinking, and yet did good things for the African-American community on the basis of political calculation (however cynical said calculation might be)?
The REAL question is not, "Which Party has defecated longer and harder on American blacks?" They've BOTH been shitty, each in their own way and time; and both CONTINUE to be shitty, each in its own inimitable way.
The REAL question — and the ONLY question — is: "Which Party offers the better deal to American blacks TODAY?"
And when it's put THAT way, it's kind of hard to argue right now that the GOP's the answer to that question. I mean, why would it be the Party that denies the existence of racism, actively tries to make it harder for African-Americans to vote, and generally couldn't give two wet shits about what happens to urban black populations, or the cities in which they live? How cold that kind of malign neglect and willful political disenfranchisement POSSIBLY be "better" for blacks?!?
And that is exactly why the GOP only talks about the past (more accurately, the other side's past).
I'd call it a smokescreen but usually smoke isn't so transparent.
by Freiheit Reich » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:03 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:
Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:
http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40889
Were you aware that in order to break the racist ways of Southern Democrats, it was Republican President Eisenhower who sponsored both Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and it was a LBJ lead Senate who fought tooth and nail against them?
Does it REALLY matter who was more of a racist asshole in the past? I mean, we could get into an LBJ vs. Nixon pissing match, noting how each man was deeply racist in their personal thinking, and yet did good things for the African-American community on the basis of political calculation (however cynical said calculation might be)?
The REAL question is not, "Which Party has defecated longer and harder on American blacks?" They've BOTH been shitty, each in their own way and time; and both CONTINUE to be shitty, each in its own inimitable way.
The REAL question — and the ONLY question — is: "Which Party offers the better deal to American blacks TODAY?"
And when it's put THAT way, it's kind of hard to argue right now that the GOP's the answer to that question. I mean, why would it be the Party that denies the existence of racism, actively tries to make it harder for African-Americans to vote, and generally couldn't give two wet shits about what happens to urban black populations, or the cities in which they live? How cold that kind of malign neglect and willful political disenfranchisement POSSIBLY be "better" for blacks?!?
by Mavorpen » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:11 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:The republicans are less supportive of affirmative action because it is racist.
Freiheit Reich wrote:Is it OK to be racist if it is pro-black racism? Some would say yes because of slavery (even though all slaves and their masters are probably dead by now). Anti-affirmative action people state that all racism is wrong (which I agree with).
by Freiheit Reich » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:13 pm
Mavorpen wrote:Death Metal wrote:
And that is exactly why the GOP only talks about the past (more accurately, the other side's past).
I'd call it a smokescreen but usually smoke isn't so transparent.
And, of course, these people are also usually the ones to parrot, "I'm not responsible for my ancestor's ownership of slavery! Why should I be punished!?!"I mean, not that anyone argued that they are, but the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy there is amusing.
by Mavorpen » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:17 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:It is because people always think of democrats as the pro-black party which seems very general. This is to show it is not true and the statement is ignorant to say.
Freiheit Reich wrote:
You should say 'Currently, the democrat party is the one that will help blacks the most.' By throwing in 'currently', politicians from the past (from either side) couldn't be used in the debate.
Freiheit Reich wrote:One reason people say the democrats are pro-black is because they are pro-welfare.
by Othelos » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:19 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:Mavorpen wrote:And, of course, these people are also usually the ones to parrot, "I'm not responsible for my ancestor's ownership of slavery! Why should I be punished!?!"I mean, not that anyone argued that they are, but the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy there is amusing.
It is because people always think of democrats as the pro-black party which seems very general. This is to show it is not true and the statement is ignorant to say.
If we say 'whites have always been kind to blacks' then the statement could be attacked by pointing out slavery.
You should say 'Currently, the democrat party is the one that will help blacks the most.' By throwing in 'currently', politicians from the past (from either side) couldn't be used in the debate.
One reason people say the democrats are pro-black is because they are pro-welfare. An argument given is that the welfare state has hurt blacks more than other races though.
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2011/01/2 ... son-riley/
by Mavorpen » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:22 pm
by Othelos » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:23 pm
Mavorpen wrote:By the way, any reasonable person would stop reading that article at "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do. . . . And that is to destroy the black family."
I mean, what the actual fuck? Only someone that has NEVER read ANYTHING about slavery could make such a stupid fucking claim. Black people couldn't get married. Many slaves taken from Africa were separated from their families. And slaves who came WITH their families could, and often were, separated and sent to separate plantations. Who the fuck would take this article seriously when it apparently doesn't know basic shit about the institution that affected the black population the most?
by Mavorpen » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:23 pm
Othelos wrote:Mavorpen wrote:By the way, any reasonable person would stop reading that article at "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do. . . . And that is to destroy the black family."
I mean, what the actual fuck? Only someone that has NEVER read ANYTHING about slavery could make such a stupid fucking claim. Black people couldn't get married. Many slaves taken from Africa were separated from their families. And slaves who came WITH their families could, and often were, separated and sent to separate plantations. Who the fuck would take this article seriously when it apparently doesn't know basic shit about the institution that affected the black population the most?
I didn't even bother reading it.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:24 pm
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