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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:48 am

Over a thousand posts latter, and the consensus seems to be "No!", with a further "And the Republican Party probably will not win the election with any candidate."

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:16 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the only people who could say its true are the guys he said it to. they are probably dead now.

it doesn't seem to be particularly lbj-ish to me but he was known to say and do what needed to be done in order to get the job done. so if it made those governors understand that there was an upside to giving black americans full civil rights then it was a job well done.

I'm willing to believe he said something along those lines. I'm NOT willing to believe he said it when the only source is a gossip book. Yes, that's what that book is. It's a gossip book, like ALL of the books Kessler has written. He's less reliable than Ann Coulter.

considering that ive never heard the quote before today im thinking that most people hold your same opinion.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:48 am

Empire of Narnia wrote:I thought his name was Ron Paul.

No, Ron Paul's son is not named Ron Paul.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:51 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relen ... 33995.html

A liberal newspaper even mentioned it along with other quotes from the party that cares about minorities:

...You didn't actually read that article, did you? That's an OPINION piece (aka blog) by someone under the alias of "The Relentless Conservative." The article DOESN'T actually source ANYTHING legitimate. When I asked for a source, I meant a source that actually confirms that the quote was actually said and from what primary source it came from. The article doesn't give me that.

So again, I have YET to see anyone actually source that bullshit quote.

The only source ever given for that quote is "a secret service agent". The veracity of the quote has never been confirmed.
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Postby Zanubiyala » Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:19 pm

Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:20 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.


They will elect someone whose madcap policies demand that we take a time machine and go back, I don't know, to the early twentieth century.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:19 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.

Ironically, this applies more to the Republican Party than it does the Democratic Party.

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Postby Jinwoy » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:26 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.

Ironically, this applies more to the Republican Party than it does the Democratic Party.


This. I doubt he even knows why Hillary would beat Rand in an election.

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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:26 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.

wait, what about Bush and the Iraq war?

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:39 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.


They will elect someone whose madcap policies demand that we take a time machine and go back, I don't know, to the early twentieth century.


At least back then the USA was respected and wasn't a top target for terrorists in the MIddle East. Back to 1955 would be better though (except with equal rights for all races-no racist policies to include affirmative action).
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:45 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the only people who could say its true are the guys he said it to. they are probably dead now.

it doesn't seem to be particularly lbj-ish to me but he was known to say and do what needed to be done in order to get the job done. so if it made those governors understand that there was an upside to giving black americans full civil rights then it was a job well done.

I'm willing to believe he said something along those lines. I'm NOT willing to believe he said it when the only source is a gossip book. Yes, that's what that book is. It's a gossip book, like ALL of the books Kessler has written. He's less reliable than Ann Coulter.


Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:

http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”

Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40889

Were you aware that in order to break the racist ways of Southern Democrats, it was Republican President Eisenhower who sponsored both Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and it was a LBJ lead Senate who fought tooth and nail against them?
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:56 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm willing to believe he said something along those lines. I'm NOT willing to believe he said it when the only source is a gossip book. Yes, that's what that book is. It's a gossip book, like ALL of the books Kessler has written. He's less reliable than Ann Coulter.


Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:

http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/


That suggests Eisenhower deserves all the credit for civil rights laws, while in fact he did very little until states tried to resist federal law.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:21 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:

http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/


That suggests Eisenhower deserves all the credit for civil rights laws, while in fact he did very little until states tried to resist federal law.


Oh you haven't been taking your Republican Logic pills. If it's something good, it was really the work of some republican previously. If it's bad, its because of the current Democratic President.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:27 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm willing to believe he said something along those lines. I'm NOT willing to believe he said it when the only source is a gossip book. Yes, that's what that book is. It's a gossip book, like ALL of the books Kessler has written. He's less reliable than Ann Coulter.


Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:

http://theblacksphere.net/2013/07/civil ... b-johnson/

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”

Some Of The Lost History In The Civil Rights Movement

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40889

Were you aware that in order to break the racist ways of Southern Democrats, it was Republican President Eisenhower who sponsored both Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act and it was a LBJ lead Senate who fought tooth and nail against them?


I wonder why the house their web site in the US?

Looking through that guys list of articles. I am surprised he has time to write with all the effort to make tin foil hats.

Seriously; you can do better for sources......
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:29 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.


Nah. They just have to bring up his favorite conspiracy theories and that will sink him quick. He just doesn't know when to stop talking. He has to sprint from the camera to avoid them.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:34 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
They will elect someone whose madcap policies demand that we take a time machine and go back, I don't know, to the early twentieth century.


At least back then the USA was respected and wasn't a top target for terrorists in the MIddle East. Back to 1955 would be better though (except with equal rights for all races-no racist policies to include affirmative action).

No, we just had to worry about an ever-increasing threat from the USSR.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:39 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm willing to believe he said something along those lines. I'm NOT willing to believe he said it when the only source is a gossip book. Yes, that's what that book is. It's a gossip book, like ALL of the books Kessler has written. He's less reliable than Ann Coulter.


Before you blindly choose the big 'D' candidate consider they are not always pro-black. LBJ might be your hero but you should consider this:

LBJ isn't "my hero." Do you have any source or not that substantiates he said that quote you attribute to him?
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Postby Flaxxony » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:43 pm

One can only hope

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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:44 pm

Flaxxony wrote:One can only hope


...That Hilary would win.
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Postby Flaxxony » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Zanubiyala wrote:Most certainly Rand Paul can beat Hillary, people have had enough of the criminal establishment and useless interventionism of the Democratic administration.


Nah. They just have to bring up his favorite conspiracy theories and that will sink him quick. He just doesn't know when to stop talking. He has to sprint from the camera to avoid them.


I would vouch to say that almost every conspiracy has some shred of truth unlike mass media so I doubt it will hurt that much.

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Postby Flaxxony » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:46 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Flaxxony wrote:One can only hope


...That Hilary would win.


I would never want anyone but libertarian to win but at least Rand wants to shut down military bases and I'm cool with that

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:47 pm

Flaxxony wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
...That Hilary would win.


I would never want anyone but libertarian to win but at least Rand wants to shut down military bases and I'm cool with that


Do libertarians really believe he will do that?
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:48 pm

Flaxxony wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
...That Hilary would win.


I would never want anyone but libertarian to win but at least Rand wants to shut down military bases and I'm cool with that


What about his stances on other issues? Are you fine with those?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:48 pm

Flaxxony wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Nah. They just have to bring up his favorite conspiracy theories and that will sink him quick. He just doesn't know when to stop talking. He has to sprint from the camera to avoid them.


I would vouch to say that almost every conspiracy has some shred of truth unlike mass media so I doubt it will hurt that much.


Ok. So what's the truth in his conspiracy theory of the Weather service stockpiling ammunition?
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Postby Flaxxony » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:48 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Flaxxony wrote:
I would never want anyone but libertarian to win but at least Rand wants to shut down military bases and I'm cool with that


Do libertarians really believe he will do that?


Well, if congress does. President can only do so much. Plus, he's not his dad. Much more of a sellout.

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