Can Rand Paul beat Hillary?

[Death Metal]

Nope. In terms of presidential elections, America's just getting bluer and bluer.

It really says something about the GOP's relevance when Texas may become a swing state by 2020, if not outright blue.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Also the one who supports legalization of marijuana.

The one that claims to, yet never once worked towards it as governor.

Also, he "balanced" the budget yet still added to spending every year.

Because people don't change opinions throughout the years.

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

[Death Metal]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black.

That's a complete load of bullshit. Explain then how Jesse Jackson didn't get nominated when he ran in the 80s? How he rallied hardest in Wisconsin in the 88 cycle but still lost that state to Micheal "Whiter Than A Hockey Game With A Jimmy Buffet Soundtrack" Dukakis? How he managed to gain only 60% of the support Dukakis did, and only 30 of the overall primary vote?

Surely if your assertion that voters (either Democratic or in general, whichever) would automatically side with the African-American nominee was true, Jackson would have at least had a nomination?

[The Scientific States]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

Do you have any way to back that malarkey up?

I could argue that some racist southern Dixiecrats didn't vote for Obama because he was black, but I know that's a ridiculous argument that's only partly true.

[The Orson Empire]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

What a crock of shit.

[Republic of Coldwater]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

Do you have any way to back that malarkey up?

I could argue that some racist southern Dixiecrats didn't vote for Obama because he was black, but I know that's a ridiculous argument that's only partly true.

The Dixiecrats ain't around anymore.

[Othelos]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

What a giant load of bull.

[Geilinor]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

It doesn't work like that. Explain why McCain's choice of Palin as running mate didn't cause women to vote for him.

[Logic and Reason]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

Though I will admit many people voted him in for this reason, it is not the primary condition that won him the presidency. It is crucial to remember these two important factors when talking about Obama's election (the first election, at least),

- Obama had a grandiose amount of support from the mainstream media (and by mainstream, I simply mean the most popular media outlets, like CNN). Before some of you extremists who begin your rant about Fox News being completely against Obama, Fox News is only ONE popular media outlet. I am basically saying AS A WHOLE, most of the mainstream media supported Obama, and presented him (as some still do) as the most valuable candidate for the presidential office.

- Obama had a lot of resources (one of which was just previously mentioned above). He had literally millions upon millions and millions of dollars from countless (seriously, look it up if you can and try to count) sources, some of which were not even from America.

Of course, with this amount of support, it was, actually, quite easy to win the presidency, considering the reputation of George Bush. The second election, however, was a different matter, entirely, but that's for another forum.

Hillary, on the other hand, has a lot of work ahead of her. As far as finances go, she is far from "dead broke" and has been a multi-millionaire almost her entire life. Seeing that she obviously is financially able to fund a presidential campaign, she will most likely try to gain political support through the mainstream media (which shouldn't be that difficult, considering that many people in the media tend to support liberal agendas). Of course, for the observant voter, she will have to explain Bengazi (you knew it was coming, though some of you seem surprised), as well as her involvement with the many scandals that have transpired in the White House since Obama took office.

Like I said, this only applies to the observant voter. She will most likely still win votes among the same group of voters who voted for Obama. If the popular support of the Obama Administration continue to decline in popularity, Hillary may find herself struggling in the coming election.

Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the democrats nominated someone clear out of the blue for the presidency. After all, this was the case with Obama.

[Death Metal]

- Obama had a grandiose amount of support from the mainstream media (and by mainstream, I simply mean the most popular media outlets, like CNN). Before some of you extremists who begin your rant about Fox News being completely against Obama, Fox News is only ONE popular media outlet. I am basically saying AS A WHOLE, most of the mainstream media supported Obama, and presented him (as some still do) as the most valuable candidate for the presidential office.

[/quote]

I'm going to stop you there.

No.

You're conflating, incorrectly, that news media channels = mainstream media. This is false.

Secondly, Fox News is just one part of a HUGE media empire, rivaled only by ABC/Disney, which is non-partisan. Every Fox network station airs local news, and guess which party they side with?

Thirdly, let's look at Fox' competition, CNBC and Turner. One has some of the lowest-rated news on their local broadcast networks, and the other doesn't have local stations in most of the country.

So in terms of TV marketshare alone, we have a right-wing plurality.

Now, let's move outside of TV media. Who are the largest print media and e-news companies? The nonpartisan CBS, and NewsCorp. Right-wing plurality there too.

Radio media? Clear Channel, CBS, and NewsCorp dominate. CBS is non-partisan, Clear Channel (a subsidiary of Bain Capital) is heavily right-leaning. So right-wing contol there.

Billboard Advertising? CBS and Clear Channel.

The left-wing bias in mainstream media... is a mainstream media invention.

[Ashmoria]

wait a minute, who is the worlds supreme superpower if not the US?

Good question, its pretty much a toss up at this point between the US, Russia, and China.

Also, is it so wrong to want ones country to be supreme?

no its not a tossup. we are still #1.

its not terribly wrong to want your country to be the most powerful in the world when it IS the most powerful in the world but its rather silly if your country is #25.

[Ashmoria]

Maybe he can and maybe he can't.

I don't care, I'm rooting for Gary Johnson 2016.

The Gary Johnson who was considered one of the most conservative governors New Mexico has ever had, who gave no-bid, overpiced contracts to build highways and prisons, and increased the size of state government every year while in office?

Not much better than the Rand Paul that, with his father, was strongly active in the dominionist Constitution Party, even being their keynote speaker in a 2009 convention.

ooooo did you see (last night on the Rachel maddow show) that an iowa politician got convicted of taking a bribe from the ron paul campaign in '12? and that the guy who GAVE the bribe is now mitch McConnell's campaign manager? im pretty sure that that guy also worked for rand paul's senate campaign.

[Ashmoria]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

an overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama because he isn't W (2008) and because he is a pretty good president (2012).

they will vote for Hillary because she is a democrat. the woman thing is icing on the cake that might bring out an extra number of women to vote in the first female president.

[Spoder]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

an overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama because he isn't W (2008) and because he is a pretty good president (2012).

they will vote for Hillary because she is a democrat. the woman thing is icing on the cake that might bring out an extra number of women to vote in the first female president.

2012 - I have no fucking idea why people voted for him.

[Kelinfort]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

Yay sexism.

[Ashmoria]

an overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama because he isn't W (2008) and because he is a pretty good president (2012).

they will vote for Hillary because she is a democrat. the woman thing is icing on the cake that might bring out an extra number of women to vote in the first female president.

2012 - I have no fucking idea why people voted for him.

because no one wants a republican president.

[Dyakovo]

An overwhelming amount of people voted for Obama simply because he is black. The same will happen to Hillary, since she's a woman.

Yay sexism.

And racism, all rolled up into one single-sentence post...

[Ashmoria]

Yay sexism.

And racism, all rolled up into one single-sentence post...

you'd think that the republicans would nominate a black woman in order to clinch the whitehouse....

[Murkwood]

2012 - I have no fucking idea why people voted for him.

because no one wants a republican president.

I'm pretty sure 47% of the country did.

And that'd be 53% today: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... inst-obam/

[Ashmoria]

because no one wants a republican president.

I'm pretty sure 47% of the country did.

And that'd be 53% today: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... inst-obam/

the same number that Romney said were incorrigible moochers.

so karmic.

[Kelinfort]

because no one wants a republican president.

I'm pretty sure 47% of the country did.

And that'd be 53% today: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... inst-obam/

Just as Kerry would've won in 2006.

[Murkwood]

I'm pretty sure 47% of the country did.

And that'd be 53% today: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... inst-obam/

the same number that Romney said were incorrigible moochers.

so karmic.

So it's not "no one".

[Ashmoria]

the same number that Romney said were incorrigible moochers.

so karmic.

So it's not "no one".

*rolls my eyes*

no murk, its not no one.

[Murkwood]

So it's not "no one".

*rolls my eyes*

no murk, its not no one.

I get it, it was a hyperbole. Still, you can't minimize 47% of the voting age population who voted.