Sorry, should have clarified that, I was referring to dispensable income.
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by Greater Beggnig » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:07 am
by Forsher » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:07 am
by Forsher » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:07 am
by Ashyaria » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:08 am
by Allanea » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:09 am
by Greater Beggnig » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:13 am
Ashyaria wrote:i wish i could make my text massive, but i can't because you people would hate on me
FEMINISM IS A TERM THAT HAS BEEN FIRST BEATEN TO A FINE PULP, CUT UP, MASHED, AND BUTCHERED. IT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT MEANS IN THE DICTIONARY.
I fucking hate people who are 'anti-feminist' because there are idiots out there who will say "OMG HE RAPED ME EVEN THOUGH HE NEVER TOUCHED ME!".
Those are called feminazis.
Feminism, from the merriam-webster dictionary:
fem·i·nism noun \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities
: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests
In modern culture, it means this:
"The 'fight' for female supremacy"
by DnalweN acilbupeR » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:36 am
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I award you no points, and have sent people to make sure your parents refrain from further breeding.
Lyttenburgh wrote:all this is a damning enough evidence to proove you of being an edgy butthurt 'murican teenager with the sole agenda of prooving to the uncaring bitch Web, that "You Have A Point!"
Lyttenburgh wrote:Either that, or, you were gang-raped by commi-nazi russian Spetznaz kill team, who then painted all walls in your house in hammer and sickles, and then viped their asses with the stars and stripes banner in your yard. That's the only logical explanation.
by Tahar Joblis » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:44 am
Allanea wrote:I don't know if I agree with this.
I mean, you are right that Tumblr-feminism is a really really unhealthy place, but I think there are many cultural issues that feminists (both male and female) can and should address, like the portrayal of female sexuality in media and educational material, the pepetration of negative and unconstructive stereotypes of women, rape culture, etc. These are real, serious issues, they might not rise to the point of women being stoned in the streets but they still are serious issues.
by Tahar Joblis » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:47 am
Forsher wrote:Greater Beggnig wrote:
It is perfectly appropriate for persons in the western world to not donate to charities because they still have to pay their bills and buy consumer goods.
Yes. This is very simple.
In fact, it's probably better that they don't. Charities are the biggest hoodwink since indulgences.
by Allanea » Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:47 am
Should talk about? Yes. Should address? In some cases and in some ways. If Dworkin & Co had their way, pornography would be illegal instead of protected as speech. I'm rather fond of the First Amendment, and in fact wish it were treated as covering more rather than covering less.
The battle against slut-shaming has gone so well that promiscuity is now strongly disrespected both in men and in women
With feminist messaging on the topic being highly variable and uncoordinated,
by Tahar Joblis » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:14 am
Allanea wrote:You know full well that not all feminists are anti-pornography feminists.
The battle against slut-shaming is a recent phenomenon and cannot be fully blamed for this generation's prudishness (OTOH, idiots like Dworkin can, because they're providing a secular, 'progressive' backing for prudishness.)
Resolved, That the same amount of virtue, delicacy, and refinement of behavior, that is required of woman in the social state, should also be required of man, and the same tranegressions should be visited with equal severity on both man and woman.
Resolved, That the objection of indelicacy and impropriety, which is so often brought against woman when she addresses a public audience, comes with a very ill grace from those who encourage, by their attendance, her appearance on the stage, in the concert, or in the feats of the circus.
He has created a false public sentiment, by giving to the world a different code of morals for men and women, by which moral delinquencies which exclude women from society, are not only tolerated but deemed of little account in man.
by Allanea » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:21 am
And the mixed messaging on pornography by feminists is why very little will be accomplished by feminists on the portrayal of female sexuality in media.
by Dyakovo » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:23 am
by Esternial » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:24 am
by Tahar Joblis » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:37 am
Dyakovo wrote:
I love how your link doesn't even come close to supporting the claim you put in the text for the link.
Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which primarily focuses on women’s ability to show and maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Liberal feminists argue that society holds the false belief that women are, by nature, less intellectually and physically capable than men; thus it tends to discriminate against women in the academy, the forum, and the marketplace. Liberal feminists believe that "female subordination is rooted in a set of customary and legal constraints that blocks women’s entrance to and success in the so-called public world", and they work hard to emphasize the equality of men and women through political and legal reform.[1]
by Greater Beggnig » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:46 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:Dyakovo wrote:I love how your link doesn't even come close to supporting the claim you put in the text for the link.Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which primarily focuses on women’s ability to show and maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Liberal feminists argue that society holds the false belief that women are, by nature, less intellectually and physically capable than men; thus it tends to discriminate against women in the academy, the forum, and the marketplace. Liberal feminists believe that "female subordination is rooted in a set of customary and legal constraints that blocks women’s entrance to and success in the so-called public world", and they work hard to emphasize the equality of men and women through political and legal reform.[1]
1. Work through political and legal reform.
2. End discrimination in terms of customary and legal restraints.
As distinguished from radical feminism, that is pretty much liberal feminism in a nutshell. This in turn comes out of the meaning of the word "liberal" from "liberties," aka "rights."
Radical refers to root, as in seeking the root of the problem. Per radical feminism's ideological analysis, this is "patriarchy."
Are there still some people running around identifying themselves as "liberal feminists" and not "radical feminists"? Not particularly many, and of the second wave feminists listed on the "liberal feminism" page, no small number identify themselves as "radical." NOW may have been founded as a liberal feminist organization; but published a glowing eulogy of Andrea Dworkin.
There's not really a neat division of feminists into liberal feminists and radical feminists, mind you. But it's entirely possible to sort out a liberal ("rights-based") feminist mission (largely accomplished in the modern West) and a radical ("root-of-the-problem") feminist mission (still ongoing).
by Dyakovo » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:47 am
Tahar Joblis wrote:Dyakovo wrote:I love how your link doesn't even come close to supporting the claim you put in the text for the link.Liberal feminism is an individualistic form of feminist theory, which primarily focuses on women’s ability to show and maintain their equality through their own actions and choices. Liberal feminists argue that society holds the false belief that women are, by nature, less intellectually and physically capable than men; thus it tends to discriminate against women in the academy, the forum, and the marketplace. Liberal feminists believe that "female subordination is rooted in a set of customary and legal constraints that blocks women’s entrance to and success in the so-called public world", and they work hard to emphasize the equality of men and women through political and legal reform.[1]
1. Work through political and legal reform.
2. End discrimination in terms of customary and legal restraints.
As distinguished from radical feminism, that is pretty much liberal feminism in a nutshell. This in turn comes out of the meaning of the word "liberal" from "liberties," aka "rights."
Radical refers to root, as in seeking the root of the problem. Per radical feminism's ideological analysis, this is "patriarchy."
Are there still some people running around identifying themselves as "liberal feminists" and not "radical feminists"? Not particularly many, and of the second wave feminists listed on the "liberal feminism" page, no small number identify themselves as "radical." NOW may have been founded as a liberal feminist organization; but published a glowing eulogy of Andrea Dworkin.
There's not really a neat division of feminists into liberal feminists and radical feminists, mind you. But it's entirely possible to sort out a liberal ("rights-based") feminist mission (largely accomplished in the modern West) and a radical ("root-of-the-problem") feminist mission (still ongoing).
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:15 am
by Great Kleomentia » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:26 am
by Olivaero » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:28 am
by Olivaero » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:31 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:(with the exception of some of the trendy gender-abolitionism queer hipsterism).
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:33 am
Great Kleomentia wrote:I have a penis and therefore i am too biased and stupid to have a opinion on that topic.
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by Tubbsalot » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:35 am
Olivaero wrote:They could certainly be doing better and present a more united front on certain issues. If a lot more feminists worked hard to distance themselves from mysandrists That'd probably help too. Understand I'm not saying they are responsible for what mysandrists say I'm saying it would help their public image if they did. Also if they stopped bickering with MRA's and worked to address some of their more reasonable concerns it would help. But I have a feeling a lot of them would see that as submitting to the patriarchy rather than working together like sensible adults.
by Great Kleomentia » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:38 am
by Narthakka » Sat Aug 09, 2014 3:39 am
Forsher wrote:
It is perfectly appropriate for persons in the western world to focus their social efforts on the western world.
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