Your Opinion of Political Correctness

[The Lone Alliance]

My issue with it is that it's putting wallpaper over a hole in a wall and calling it fixed.

The attitudes behind the bigotry still exist, it's just silenced in the name of polite society. The problem is, how do you solve something like that? There will always be division among people.


Also to inject with the illegal discussion, "Illegals" is a dehumanizing term but it is not a term limited to a specific race.

Saying it only refers to Latinos is holding an US Centric view where in fact in other countries it has been used as an insult towards Illegals of pretty much every race.

[Fanosolia]

Can I get a high five? *hold hand out*

I couldn't agree more, and it can really get some conversation in the class room going. Though I do ask why you use the term liberal arts? is that because it goes against tradition or more of a freedom thing?

it is a hard endeavor to achieve, but this is something the human race needs.

*high fives your extended hand*

Well, Liberal Arts is how they are called nowadays:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education

Another term for them is the Arts and Humanities. Basically the meaning behind it is that it helps you become a better person. It is deemed as what every person should know to be able to participate in civic life. Nowadays it is more commonly used for any degree that doesn't fall in the professional, vocational, or technical degrees like Business, Chemistry, Biology, and so on or even vocational studies like Plumbing and Welding.

nice X3

Well I definently fall into the old meaning. (I've been writing abit more than I used too). the funny thing is just before I saw this comment I watch a video by john green the explained it to me XD its very awesome

it was just that i read at the back of a book that was criticizing "liberal" institutions so I was just wondering if it was similar... clearly not XD

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My issue with it is that it's putting wallpaper over a hole in a wall and calling it fixed.

The attitudes behind the bigotry still exist, it's just silenced in the name of polite society. The problem is, how do you solve something like that? There will always be division among people.


Also to inject with the illegal discussion, "Illegals" is a dehumanizing term but it is not a term limited to a specific race.

Saying it only refers to Latinos is holding an US Centric view where in fact in other countries it has been used as an insult towards Illegals of pretty much every race.

wut... I don't even....

How can you both disapprove and use the same term in the same post....

[Grenartia]

A horrible, horrible thing that serves only to suppress free speech and to suppress facts that are inconvenient for the liberal orthodoxy.

And you're proving me right.

Just so were clear what's being discussed:

From Merriam Webster's:

I know a lot of unnecessary rhetoric comes under scrutiny for being politically incorrect, but we're just discussing the above. Many of course claim that this is "onerous" and prevents truth from being told. So I want to know, NS, what is your opinion of political correctness?

As for me, I believe some of it is unnecessary and downright unneeded, however, the word political correctness is terrible for describing what it truly is: not being an asshole.

Pretty much.

Also, its a myth used by the right to, ironically and hypocritically, enforce their own particular brand of political correctness. They don't see it as being "politically correct" to not treat people like assholes, and thus use "PC" as a meaningless buzzphrase against X (whatever they don't like), instead of judging X on its own merits.

Also, even if it did exist as you claim, its not suppression of free speech, because the government's not enforcing it on you. lrn2facts&logic

[The Lone Alliance]

wut... I don't even....

How can you both disapprove and use the same term in the same post....

That's because I'm using it as an example on how it doesn't just apply to Latinos.

[Sefard]

Political correctness is very silly. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter.

[MERIZoC]

Political correctness is very silly. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter.

99% of respondents disagree.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Political correctness is very silly. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter.

99% of respondents disagree.

The only people who think it's silly are those who think it involves literally placing a gag on people who dare to say something that isn't kosher.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

99% of respondents disagree.

The only people who think it's silly are those who think it involves literally placing a gag on people who dare to say something that isn't kosher.

You mean that it doesn't?

Then what in the world am I supposed to do with all of these gags? They're not returnable!

[Cannot think of a name]

The only people who think it's silly are those who think it involves literally placing a gag on people who dare to say something that isn't kosher.

You mean that it doesn't?

Then what in the world am I supposed to do with all of these gags? They're not returnable!

Well, I have a suggestion but first, how attached are you to your innocence?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You mean that it doesn't?

Then what in the world am I supposed to do with all of these gags? They're not returnable!

Well, I have a suggestion but first, how attached are you to your innocence?

In much the same way that I am attached to the umbilical cord, and I haven't seen it for about as long.

[Dakini]

I know this was a while ago and the poster who made the initial claim had his nation deleted, but...

My country doesn't have a constitution....

I highly doubt that. An uncodified constitution is still a constitution.

Ucropi is (to my knowledge) Canadian; Canada definitely has a constitution.

[Luziyca]

I think that some people take it way too far, but some people who discount it entirely can be offensive. Like everything, there is a balance that must be struck

Basically my opinion.

[Dakini]

Because you're harming the company's public image.

And hence if you want to have a job you cant express your opinion on something, because political correctness.

Personally, I don't tend to run into trouble expressing my opinions at work. It helps that I'm not a bigot though.

[Caninope]

I prefer the term honkey, thank you very much.

I'm torn.

I think both Honkey and Cracker have their uses, and I don't give two shits if someone calls me either, irregardless of the context.

It just confuses me that a black person can call me either one and no one cares, but if I even THINK the "n-word" I might get fired from my job 30 years later, on account of my skin being melanin-deficient.

First, I'm pretty sure that if you were called a honkey or cracker in a professional environment, that would be harassment. Secondly, neither honkey nor cracker carry the same level of offense because no one is offended nearly as much. It's because you (and every other white person, like me) doesn't give two shits that it doesn't matter nearly as much. It's a myth that all racial nicknames were created equally offensive.

[Caninope]

As someone who is a historical purist I tend to agree with this notion.

The fact that a book is seen from the eyes of the present back to the past and we feel uncomfortable reading it is precisely what should be happening. It is almost necessary nowadays to cringe at what people have written in the past so we as liberal arts students can, and should be able to, heed the warnings from the past and be able to not repeat the same mistakes, or so is one of the goals of studying history and other liberal arts fields of study.

I'd extend it as far as modern historical fiction depicting the past, since we tend to get into the mentality of the period and we need to be able, as writers, to accurately reproduce the past as it was; otherwise it feels like a cheap facsimile.

Can I get a high five? *hold hand out*

I couldn't agree more, and it can really get some conversation in the class room going. Though I do ask why you use the term liberal arts? is that because it goes against tradition or more of a freedom thing?

it is a hard endeavor to achieve, but this is something the human race needs.

Liberal arts is an old term stretching back to antiquity. It originally mean "the arts or skills worth of a freeman", and included 7 basic "artes" during the Medieval Era.

[Earth in Roughly 1000 Years]

It gets in the way of healthy and intelligent dialogue.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It gets in the way of healthy and intelligent dialogue.

Are you saying that racist, homophobic, and sexist slurs are necessary for healthy and intelligent dialogue?

[MERIZoC]

It gets in the way of healthy and intelligent dialogue.

Are you saying that racist, homophobic, and sexist slurs are necessary for healthy and intelligent dialogue?

Yes. Xenophobic rhetoric too.

[Blakk Metal]

It gets in the way of healthy and intelligent dialogue.

Are you saying that racist, homophobic, and sexist slurs are necessary for healthy and intelligent dialogue?

Political correctness also censors ideas.

[Earth in Roughly 1000 Years]

It gets in the way of healthy and intelligent dialogue.

Are you saying that racist, homophobic, and sexist slurs are necessary for healthy and intelligent dialogue?

That is not implied anywhere in my statement. If you would like to have an actual civil conversation about this, I'll welcome it, but if you're just looking for an aha moment so you can feel good about yourself or gain "respect" from nerdy teenagers on the internet, fuck off.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Are you saying that racist, homophobic, and sexist slurs are necessary for healthy and intelligent dialogue?

Political correctness also censors ideas.

How?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Are you saying that racist, homophobic, and sexist slurs are necessary for healthy and intelligent dialogue?

That is not implied anywhere in my statement. If you would like to have an actual civil conversation about this, I'll welcome it, but if you're just looking for an aha moment so you can feel good about yourself or gain "respect" from nerdy teenagers on the internet, fuck off.

Or you could explain what you actually meant by your comment rather than flaming me in response to a question. However, as you've chosen to go straight from zero to napalm in a matter of two posts, my faith in your ability to hold the sort of civil conversation that you're talking about is...limited.

[Blakk Metal]

Political correctness also censors ideas.

How?

You cannot say any of the following:

• Not all imperialism is bad.
• There are races, and they are as distinct from eachother as languages are.
• Direct violence by white Christians on others is sometimes justified.
• Gender does not exist outside of linguistics, only sex.
• Demographics are significantly not equal to each other in certain traits.
• Etc.

[Kelinfort]

How?

You cannot say any of the following:

• Not all imperialism is bad.
• There are races, and they are as distinct from eachother as languages are.
• Direct violence by white Christians on others is sometimes justified.
• Gender does not exist outside of linguistics, only sex.
• Demographics are significantly not equal to each other in certain traits.
• Etc.

Yes, you can. Political correctness doesn't prevent you from saying that or anything else.