Surge 2014: A debate on Illegal Immigration and US Policies.

[Arkinesia]

I think that Bill Gates being a businessman and a philantropist has more credibility than people who think indentured servitude and institutionalized racism is the way to go for the U.S. quite frankly.

Bill Gates has white guilt. Look at his racist scholarship program that helps any deserving poor student EXCEPT poor white students. His scholarship is clearly racist but he is not branded racist because being anti-white=tolerance in the eyes of the liberal media.

https://scholarships.gmsp.org/Program/D ... 11d7d89cb7

Who’s Eligible?

Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they meet all of the following criteria:

- Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian & Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American

God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the Negro Scholarship Fund is racist because it only gives out scholarship money to students of African descent?

[Wind in the Willows]

Bill Gates has white guilt. Look at his racist scholarship program that helps any deserving poor student EXCEPT poor white students. His scholarship is clearly racist but he is not branded racist because being anti-white=tolerance in the eyes of the liberal media.

https://scholarships.gmsp.org/Program/D ... 11d7d89cb7

Who’s Eligible?

Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they meet all of the following criteria:

- Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian & Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American

God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the Negro Scholarship Fund is racist because it only gives out scholarship money to students of African descent?

Yes, the Negro Scholarship Fund is racist.

[Blakk Metal]

Bill Gates has white guilt. Look at his racist scholarship program that helps any deserving poor student EXCEPT poor white students. His scholarship is clearly racist but he is not branded racist because being anti-white=tolerance in the eyes of the liberal media.

https://scholarships.gmsp.org/Program/D ... 11d7d89cb7

Who’s Eligible?

Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they meet all of the following criteria:

- Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian & Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American

God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the Negro Scholarship Fund is racist because it only gives out scholarship money to students of African descent?

"God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the diners of Alabama are racist because they only give service to people of White descent?"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I respect him because he knows about money and where the money trails are, you don't.

Bill Gates is a moron.

And yet he has a lot of money.

You don't get a lot of money by being a moron at business and economics.

[Blakk Metal]

Bill Gates is a moron.

And yet he has a lot of money.

You don't get a lot of money by being a moron at business and economics.

I can provide proof.

[Arkinesia]

God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the Negro Scholarship Fund is racist because it only gives out scholarship money to students of African descent?

"God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the diners of Alabama are racist because they only give service to people of White descent?"

There is considered to be a difference between engaging in commerce (i.e. purchasing a meal at a diner) and being qualified for a charitable service.

Otherwise, we'd force charities to open themselves and let rich people eat even though they can afford their own food.

[Wind in the Willows]

Bill Gates is a moron.

And yet he has a lot of money.

You don't get a lot of money by being a moron at business and economics.

Well, you technically could by hiring economic and business experts to do the work for you, and then take the majority of the profit and pay the experts minimal amount.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And yet he has a lot of money.

You don't get a lot of money by being a moron at business and economics.

Well, you technically could by hiring economic and business experts to do the work for you, and then take the majority of the profit and pay the experts minimal amount.

Which is still smart business. If you don't know how to do it then let someone else do it for you.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And yet he has a lot of money.

You don't get a lot of money by being a moron at business and economics.

I can provide proof.

Ponzi schemes and embezzlement? I am not sure that counts within the frame of Bill Gates, especially given you are probably using his product which is Windows.

[Wind in the Willows]

Well, you technically could by hiring economic and business experts to do the work for you, and then take the majority of the profit and pay the experts minimal amount.

Which is still smart business. If you don't know how to do it then let someone else do it for you.

It's not really that smart, it's basic common sense.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which is still smart business. If you don't know how to do it then let someone else do it for you.

It's not really that smart, it's basic common sense.

Something many people lack.

[Wind in the Willows]

It's not really that smart, it's basic common sense.

Something many people lack.

That's true.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also how the fuck did we threadjack this from immigration into racism in college scholarships and Bill Gates?

[Wind in the Willows]

But anyway back on topic to Immigration, I think it is a disgrace that the US has not grown a pair of balls and enforced controls of the border more strictly. Hopefully they harden up and actually protect their country.

Also how the fuck did we threadjack this from immigration into racism in college scholarships and Bill Gates?

It always happens on NSG.

[Gig em Aggies]

Sorta related questions to ponder

1.) Do you think that the next POTUS will help or hurt immigration related reform?

2.) Who is better off to fix the problem of immigration and related problems Democrats, Republicans?

3.) Who do you think would be get down right now kinda guy*.

*- this also means females to.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I think we should build a moat around our border with Canada, and fill it with ravenous red necks to prevent those Frogs from illegally entering our nation!

[Arkinesia]

2.) Who is better off to fix the problem of immigration and related problems Democrats, Republicans?

I think libertarian Republicans are the best to fix the issue. Democrats, I can't really trust because they are too entwined in the homeland security complex.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

2.) Who is better off to fix the problem of immigration and related problems Democrats, Republicans?

I think libertarian Republicans are the best to fix the issue. Democrats, I can't really trust because they are too entwined in the homeland security complex.

They all are, including your Libertarian Republicans.

[Freiheit Reich]

I said he can do what he wants but he is racist and doesn't deserve respect that people, including you, give him. You said I am racist but you don't think he is. Why don't you think he is racist when he excludes one race from his scholarship?

This is like complaining that the Humane Society is discriminatory for only helping animals, or the Cancer Society of America is discriminatory for only working to treat cancer.

Bill Gates is a human so why not treat all humans equally? He wants to help deserving poor so long as they're not white. There are poor white countries by the way, Georgia and Armenia are in Europe but their income levels are well below France and Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita

Georgia #119, Armenia #118, Ukraine #107

Taiwan #16, Malaysia #59, Panama #61, Mexico #66

Bill Gates is ignorant in thinking all whites are wealthy versus other races. Even on national scales, this is not always true.

[Freiheit Reich]

Based on your argument about white people's poor fertility rates, I thought you wanted to import immigrants to increase fertility rates and populations. This is a common pro-immigrant stance. I thought you were concerned about Germany's demographics (falling population and increasing age rates).

Also: I don't know why an older population is bad. 50 is the new 40. People are living longer so of course the average age should be expected to go up.

Older population=more people needed to support the elderly.

Unless, you want to abolish retirement.

Retirement has always been legal. We can cut and/or delay pensions. The elderly should take care of themselves without depending on the govt. A 70 year old today is not the same as a 70 year old in 1940. Also, charities can help.

[Freiheit Reich]

I said he can do what he wants but he is racist and doesn't deserve respect that people, including you, give him. You said I am racist but you don't think he is. Why don't you think he is racist when he excludes one race from his scholarship?

Nobody in today's generation should have 'white guilt'. Literally nobody alive today is a victim of slavery or a perpetrator, and anyone who is a descendant of a slave owner shouldn't feel any guilt.

A lot of college liberals who don't know much about anything seem to think it is alright to discriminate against their own race for stuff that whites did about two hundred years ago.

Blacks should not be entitled to more than whites, and whites should not be entitled to more than blacks. If we truly lived in a time of equality, everyone would be treated the same. But we dont.

Plus, many immigrants came after 1865 so even their great-great grandparents were not slave owners. My family in the 19th century lived in a mostly white area in the northeast and probably had few encounters with blacks so even if they were racist against blacks, they likely had no chance to mistreat them.

It is funny, I thought MLK dreamed of equality but liberals think we need to be racist. Racist against whites is still being racist and not justified. It only divides society.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quot ... 15056.html

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Freiheit Reich]

Bill Gates has white guilt. Look at his racist scholarship program that helps any deserving poor student EXCEPT poor white students. His scholarship is clearly racist but he is not branded racist because being anti-white=tolerance in the eyes of the liberal media.

https://scholarships.gmsp.org/Program/D ... 11d7d89cb7

Who’s Eligible?

Students are eligible to be considered for a GMS scholarship if they meet all of the following criteria:

- Are African American, American Indian/Alaska Native*, Asian & Pacific Islander American** or Hispanic American

God, you're desperate. Who cares if a private citizen wants to build a scholarship for particular races? Are you going to tell me the Negro Scholarship Fund is racist because it only gives out scholarship money to students of African descent?

Yes, it is. Another racial divider the USA doesn't need.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Older population=more people needed to support the elderly.

Unless, you want to abolish retirement.

Retirement has always been legal. We can cut and/or delay pensions. The elderly should take care of themselves without depending on the govt. A 70 year old today is not the same as a 70 year old in 1940. Also, charities can help.

Ayn Rand, is that you?

[Infected Mushroom]

Anyone who breaks US border law in entering the US should be tracked down, arrested, and deported.

I think America should invest in more border security and law enforcement if its finding itself with a border enforcement problem. People should not be allowed to get away with breaking American laws...

[Socialist Xlyvania]

Personally, I find the situation extremely frustrating. I would not want my tax dollars to be spent on diapers and housing for the undocumented. The entire protocol of processing them and requiring the undocumented to appear at "immigration court" is outrageous. They are obviously guilty of unlawfully trespassing into another country and a court hearing is absolutely unnecessary. They need to be deported immediately without processing of any kind because they are too much of a drain on resources.

Stories like this greatly upset me because my parents lawfully immigrated to the United States from the Philippines and gave birth to me here. My parents earned their citizenship by working and waiting in line like other hard working families. To see these undocumented people who come and then protest for citizenship because they think they are entitled to it.

There should be absolutely no special laws to give any undocumented people any benefits of any kind because that would be a smack to the face to the people who waited years to earn their citizenship.