Is America The Best Country In The World?

[Blakk Metal]

*edit* dont get me wrong I love Britain but just because you may have some issues with America does not in any way diminish what hey did in the war.

I don't love Britain. I don't love Russia or America either. And I don't have any significant issues with America. But thanks for your consideration.

All I'm saying is that the good ol' ''we saved you and if it wasn't for the US you would have been speaking German now'' is nonsense and would be better suited if targeted the other way around. Britain and Russia both did a lot more to stop the Germans than America did, so if anyone saved anyone, certainly the saviors were the Britons and Russians.

Without American help, Britain and Russia would have lost. Without British and American help, Japan and Germany would have never reached the 48 states.

[Dixie]

*edit* dont get me wrong I love Britain but just because you may have some issues with America does not in any way diminish what hey did in the war.

I don't love Britain. I don't love Russia or America either. And I don't have any significant issues with America. But thanks for your consideration.

All I'm saying is that the good ol' ''we saved you and if it wasn't for the US you would have been speaking German now'' is nonsense and would be better suited if targeted the other way around. Britain and Russia both did a lot more to stop the Germans than America did, so if anyone saved anyone, certainly the saviors were the Britons and Russians.

Lend-lease provided the Russians enough steel to build something like 70,000 fighting vehicles, and enough locomotives, plane fuel, and trucks to actually have a functioning logistics network for the later broad front offensives they undertook.
Logistics is what the professionals debate, and the logistics make it clear an Allied victory was dependent on American materiel.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Without American help, Britain and Russia would have lost.

And how would it have looked without Britain and Russia?

[Blakk Metal]

Without American help, Britain and Russia would have lost.

And how would it have looked without Britain and Russia?

Japan had no interests outside of Asia, and Nazi Germany would have disintegrated after Hitler died.

[Antarticaria]

Interesting. So Im guessing Winston litterally forging documents to suggest a heavy threat to America was not a act of begging them into the war?
Britain was pinned on its island... German Fleets were filling the Ocean with British fleets, one ship in particular did alot of the work being its known as a infamous battleship the Bismark who sunk one of Britains most famous ships as well as forced other ships to retreat. Germany had Britain on the ropes through most of the war until the USA and Russia (As well as contingencies from local European Nations as well as even Canada) pushed Germany back giving Britain breathing room to fight again, another sad thing is Winston even wanted American forces to fire upon Russians after reaching Berlin due to his severe Anti Communism issues.

*edit* dont get me wrong I love Britain but just because you may have some issues with America does not in any way diminish what hey did in the war.

If it wasn't for Britain, America would have possibly, lost at least in Europe seeing that they would have no wears to base their operations....

But you see both were needed. Not one or the other like so many people seem to try and argue that the war could of been won without any of those three nations. Because without one of them in that triangle.. Well lets just say we would be probably electing a new fuhrer.

[Antarticaria]

*edit* dont get me wrong I love Britain but just because you may have some issues with America does not in any way diminish what hey did in the war.

I don't love Britain. I don't love Russia or America either. And I don't have any significant issues with America. But thanks for your consideration.

All I'm saying is that the good ol' ''we saved you and if it wasn't for the US you would have been speaking German now'' is nonsense and would be better suited if targeted the other way around. Britain and Russia both did a lot more to stop the Germans than America did, so if anyone saved anyone, certainly the saviors were the Britons and Russians.

Actually all three would be the saviors of the world, as I have been saying without any one of those three the war would of been lost for the allies. Germany was spread too thin between fighting three nations even with their small support from different Axis nations.

[Jinwoy]

Did we just take a entire revolution back to world war 2 discussion? Haven't we already solved this?

[Roski]

Did we just take a entire revolution back to world war 2 discussion? Haven't we already solved this?

No. You posted factually incorrect statements.

[Jinwoy]

Did we just take a entire revolution back to world war 2 discussion? Haven't we already solved this?

No. You posted factually incorrect statements.

Oh?
Well, I'd hate to blow my own horn, but...

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That doesn't sound like the heckle of 'factually incorrect statements', does it?
Try harder.

[Roski]

I have no idea where this is going but I'm going to say this:
1) Russia certainly put more effort in their war effort than the west. Doesn't necessarily make it better, because Quantity =/= Quality and all that.
2) Without Russia, an allied invasion of Europe would've been dang near impossible since, of course, Naziland could just relocate all their armies to counter the allied invasion of Normandy.
3) Without allied help, Russia would've lost the war. Easily.
4) The US was lagging behind in modern technology until the British gave them access to their tech.
5) It wasn't all the US. The US isn't the sole reason for winning the European theatre, but it is the sole reason for the victory in the pacific theatre. You can't count on Australia for much. You couldn't count on Britain for much. It was all about the US in the pacific.
6) Naziland was evil.
7) Tactical and Logistical failure by Nazi military leaders meant that defeat was inevitable by a joint Soviet-West invasion.
WHO TOOK BERLIN? ARGUABLY THE MOST HEAVILY DEFENDED CITY IN ALL OF GLORIOUS DEUTSCHLAND! PROBABLY THE GREATEST VICTORY OF THE WAR (Aside from defeating Japan, thanks America!)

Then there's the aftermath:
1) Which power spawned the great Soviet vs. West problem? Answer: UK under passionate anti-communist Winston Churchill
2) Which power spawned hardcore stalinist states with a tendency to slaughter dissidents like the scum they are? Answer: USSR under the glorious Joseph Stalin
3) America? Answer: Not any better than anyone else.
*Drops mic*

1)Which country became the strongest political entity in history? Answer: America
2) Which country overran the world economy with its sexy cars (Germany, but that's beside the point)
3) Which country undoubtedly runs the world economy? America.
4) What country can reach out and touch you in twelve hours or less, no matter your location? America
5) What country provides the most logistical and military support in United Nations Peacekeeping Conflicts? America
6) What country has the best hamburgers?

Point = made

[Antarticaria]

I have no idea where this is going but I'm going to say this:
1) Russia certainly put more effort in their war effort than the west. Doesn't necessarily make it better, because Quantity =/= Quality and all that.
2) Without Russia, an allied invasion of Europe would've been dang near impossible since, of course, Naziland could just relocate all their armies to counter the allied invasion of Normandy.
3) Without allied help, Russia would've lost the war. Easily.
4) The US was lagging behind in modern technology until the British gave them access to their tech.
5) It wasn't all the US. The US isn't the sole reason for winning the European theatre, but it is the sole reason for the victory in the pacific theatre. You can't count on Australia for much. You couldn't count on Britain for much. It was all about the US in the pacific.
6) Naziland was evil.
7) Tactical and Logistical failure by Nazi military leaders meant that defeat was inevitable by a joint Soviet-West invasion.
WHO TOOK BERLIN? ARGUABLY THE MOST HEAVILY DEFENDED CITY IN ALL OF GLORIOUS DEUTSCHLAND! PROBABLY THE GREATEST VICTORY OF THE WAR (Aside from defeating Japan, thanks America!)

Then there's the aftermath:
1) Which power spawned the great Soviet vs. West problem? Answer: UK under passionate anti-communist Winston Churchill
2) Which power spawned hardcore stalinist states with a tendency to slaughter dissidents like the scum they are? Answer: USSR under the glorious Joseph Stalin
3) America? Answer: Not any better than anyone else.
*Drops mic*

1)Which country became the strongest political entity in history? Answer: America
2) Which country overran the world economy with its sexy cars (Germany, but that's beside the point)
3) Which country undoubtedly runs the world economy? America.
4) What country can reach out and touch you in twelve hours or less, no matter your location? America
5) What country provides the most logistical and military support in United Nations Peacekeeping Conflicts? America
6) What country has the best hamburgers?

Point = made

What point exactly?

He wasnt arguing for or against in that statement. No country can be the best that's almost as narcissistic as a human claiming to be the best. So really he provided facts to prove the goods and the bads.

[Jinwoy]

I have no idea where this is going but I'm going to say this:
1) Russia certainly put more effort in their war effort than the west. Doesn't necessarily make it better, because Quantity =/= Quality and all that.
2) Without Russia, an allied invasion of Europe would've been dang near impossible since, of course, Naziland could just relocate all their armies to counter the allied invasion of Normandy.
3) Without allied help, Russia would've lost the war. Easily.
4) The US was lagging behind in modern technology until the British gave them access to their tech.
5) It wasn't all the US. The US isn't the sole reason for winning the European theatre, but it is the sole reason for the victory in the pacific theatre. You can't count on Australia for much. You couldn't count on Britain for much. It was all about the US in the pacific.
6) Naziland was evil.
7) Tactical and Logistical failure by Nazi military leaders meant that defeat was inevitable by a joint Soviet-West invasion.
WHO TOOK BERLIN? ARGUABLY THE MOST HEAVILY DEFENDED CITY IN ALL OF GLORIOUS DEUTSCHLAND! PROBABLY THE GREATEST VICTORY OF THE WAR (Aside from defeating Japan, thanks America!)

Then there's the aftermath:
1) Which power spawned the great Soviet vs. West problem? Answer: UK under passionate anti-communist Winston Churchill
2) Which power spawned hardcore stalinist states with a tendency to slaughter dissidents like the scum they are? Answer: USSR under the glorious Joseph Stalin
3) America? Answer: Not any better than anyone else.
*Drops mic*

1)Which country became the strongest political entity in history? Answer: America
2) Which country overran the world economy with its sexy cars (Germany, but that's beside the point)
3) Which country undoubtedly runs the world economy? America.
4) What country can reach out and touch you in twelve hours or less, no matter your location? America
5) What country provides the most logistical and military support in United Nations Peacekeeping Conflicts? America
6) What country has the best hamburgers?

Point = made

But were talking about world war 2, not after.
Arguably, the most powerful country went back and fourth during the cold era, at least until the 1960's or up to 1970 at the most.
I don't even have to name the belligerents. You already know who I'm talking about.
Besides, military doesn't make a country great, because you know who probably had the best army ever for its era? The British.

[Nierr]

5) What country provides the most logistical and military support in United Nations Peacekeeping Conflicts? America

As of June 2013? Pakistan contributed the highest number overall with 8,186 personnel, followed by Bangladesh (7,799), India (7,878), Ethiopia (6,502), Rwanda (4,686), Nigeria (4,684), Nepal (4,495), Jordan (3,374), Ghana (2,859), and Egypt (2,750).

[Ziegenhain]

Yes

[Herrebrugh]

Yes

So how do you objectively measure "goodness"?

[Roski]

5) What country provides the most logistical and military support in United Nations Peacekeeping Conflicts? America

As of June 2013? Pakistan contributed the highest number overall with 8,186 personnel, followed by Bangladesh (7,799), India (7,878), Ethiopia (6,502), Rwanda (4,686), Nigeria (4,684), Nepal (4,495), Jordan (3,374), Ghana (2,859), and Egypt (2,750).

Right. Korea was not at all a UN lead op

[Ziegenhain]

Yes

So how do you objectively measure "goodness"?

Goodness?

This is about best country, not most goodest country.

[Herrebrugh]

So how do you objectively measure "goodness"?

Goodness?

This is about best country, not most goodest country.

Good, better, best.

[Nierr]

As of June 2013? Pakistan contributed the highest number overall with 8,186 personnel, followed by Bangladesh (7,799), India (7,878), Ethiopia (6,502), Rwanda (4,686), Nigeria (4,684), Nepal (4,495), Jordan (3,374), Ghana (2,859), and Egypt (2,750).

Right. Korea was not at all a UN lead op

Korea was more than 60 years ago. You said 'provides the most', not 'has provided'.

Read your own posts.

[Roski]

Right. Korea was not at all a UN lead op

Korea was more than 60 years ago. You said 'provides the most', not 'has provided'.

Read your own posts.

Sorry, did not realize that I needed to add overtime to a relatively simple point.
Your willingness to nitpick on such a level means you are desperate for ground in this argument.

[Nierr]

Korea was more than 60 years ago. You said 'provides the most', not 'has provided'.

Read your own posts.

Sorry, did not realize that I needed to add overtime to a relatively simple point.
Your willingness to nitpick on such a level means you are desperate for ground in this argument.

Lovely defence of your argument. You didn't even have to move the goalposts cos I did it for you.

It also not nitpicking to point out an error that when corrected completely changes your point.

I'll also point out, that the UN Force in Korea was not a peacekeeping mission.

[Genivaria]

Unless our standard of 'best' is military spending or incarcerated citizens, no.

[Spirit of Hope]

Unless our standard of 'best' is military spending or incarcerated citizens, no.

What about scientific research? Because the US is the leader scientific publications and in usefulness of those publications.
The US is also the leader in a number of food productions and has the most Olympic medals.

[Jinwoy]

Unless our standard of 'best' is military spending or incarcerated citizens, no.

What about scientific research? Because the US is the leader scientific publications and in usefulness of those publications.
The US is also the leader in a number of food productions and has the most Olympic medals.

Does it make it the best? Nope.
Does it make it the smartest? NOOPE.
Is it at least the most technologically advan--- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

[Spirit of Hope]

What about scientific research? Because the US is the leader scientific publications and in usefulness of those publications.
The US is also the leader in a number of food productions and has the most Olympic medals.

Does it make it the best? Nope.
Does it make it the smartest? NOOPE.
Is it at least the most technologically advan--- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

I'm just saying that the US is a world leading in things besides Defense spending and Incarcerated citizens. There is no way to know what nation is the "smartest" or the most "advanced" though the fact that the US is the world leader in scientific publications, and has some of the top universities in the world would tend to indicate that. But it all depends on your measurement.