Georgia's "Guns Everywhere Bill"

[Bambifan101]

To most American Liberals Gun nuts a gun ban is the only form of gun control.

Ftfy

A good number of people would disagree with that statement. Anyways don't you guys have anything better to do than debate about something that will never change? Because right now all I am seeing is a bunch of liberal loonies and Right wing nutjobs beating the **** out of each other.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Yes, and how they got unbanned when the population revolted, and violent crime surged.

Exactly how.

Freedom of speech was never eliminated and there was never a revolt Because of the Eighteenth Amendment. Care to try again?

Oh I'm sorry, have you not heard of:
The American Revolution or,
the recent NATO-led coup in Libya or,
The Collapse of the Soviet Union?

Other examples, but I can't think of them right off the bat.

[Edlichbury]

Fucking source that. I highly doubt 20% of Americans are in a militia.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/05/southern-poverty-law-center-militias-gun-control/1964411/


And trust me, there are lots of people in these militias.

There is nothing in that article that mentions twenty percent of Americans being in militia. Stop lying, then I might trust you.

[Roski]

1. It is owned by the government. Not controlled. That is not synonymous.
2. If you want to get on a plane, to Germany, at any given time, as long as you have money, you can get on it.

1. Yes, I'm certain THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES has no control over the military ever.
2. Really? Like, have you been to an airport recently? Please, try to walk through security and state you can get on any plane you want, any time you want, without any interference.

1: No, they are not synonymous. The Military is allowed to own whatever it wants. Would you take a rubber ducky from a Marine?
2: Air travel is not regulated. What you can bring on a plane is restricted. And all the stuff that was minorly controlled to get on planes, is, guess what, BANNED

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

1. Yes, I'm certain THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES has no control over the military ever.
2. Really? Like, have you been to an airport recently? Please, try to walk through security and state you can get on any plane you want, any time you want, without any interference.

1: No, they are not synonymous. The Military is allowed to own whatever it wants. Would you take a rubber ducky from a Marine?
2: Air travel is not regulated. What you can bring on a plane is restricted. And all the stuff that was minorly controlled to get on planes, is, guess what, BANNED

You cannot just fly low over a base willy nilly and not get shot down.

[Roski]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/05/southern-poverty-law-center-militias-gun-control/1964411/


And trust me, there are lots of people in these militias.

There is nothing in that article that mentions twenty percent of Americans being in militia. Stop lying, then I might trust you.

So, on average, how many people are in these militias? 2? 4? Try 500.
So, lets see, almost two thousand militias, about 500 members each...

[The Fascist American Empire]

1. It is owned by the government. Not controlled. That is not synonymous.
2. If you want to get on a plane, to Germany, at any given time, as long as you have money, you can get on it.

1. Yes, I'm certain THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES has no control over the military ever.
2. Really? Like, have you been to an airport recently? Please, try to walk through security and state you can get on any plane you want, any time you want, without any interference.

1. Never heard of the Pentagon have you? It's only one of the biggest buildings in the world.
2. That isn't a restriction of freedom. That's border-line paranoia that's been in just about every American since 9/11/01.

[Edlichbury]

Freedom of speech was never eliminated and there was never a revolt Because of the Eighteenth Amendment. Care to try again?

Oh I'm sorry, have you not heard of:
The American Revolution or,
the recent NATO-led coup in Libya or,
The Collapse of the Soviet Union?

Other examples, but I can't think of them right off the bat.

None of those dealt with the American Eighteenth Amendment, two of them barely involve America and aren't actually American uprisings by any definition. Please find an example of American Freedom of Speech being abolished and revolts over the Eighteenth Amendment.

[Bambifan101]

You guys want to know why we can't settle this debate?

[Edlichbury]

1. Yes, I'm certain THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES has no control over the military ever.
2. Really? Like, have you been to an airport recently? Please, try to walk through security and state you can get on any plane you want, any time you want, without any interference.

1: No, they are not synonymous. The Military is allowed to own whatever it wants. Would you take a rubber ducky from a Marine?
2: Air travel is not regulated. What you can bring on a plane is restricted. And all the stuff that was minorly controlled to get on planes, is, guess what, BANNED

1. The Military can own only what is given by Congressional legislation, that's called the power of the purse. That's also ignoring that the military's official leader is the fucking President.
2. No-fly lists are a thing, and protected airspace is a thing. Try again.

[Dyakovo]

To most American Liberals a gun ban is the only form of gun control.

Now, I don't support gun control, but I don't think things like fully automatics should be allowed on the market, they have a point there. People have no reason to buy one (unless they're in the mafia or something). But a decent handgun, a shotgun, or maybe a semi-automatic, yeah, we need those to defend our families. The FBI reports that a house is broken into every thirty seconds, and I don't know about you, but I'd rather not take the risk.

The underlined shows that you do, in fact, support gun control.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Oh I'm sorry, have you not heard of:
The American Revolution or,
the recent NATO-led coup in Libya or,
The Collapse of the Soviet Union?

Other examples, but I can't think of them right off the bat.

None of those dealt with the American Eighteenth Amendment, two of them barely involve America and aren't actually American uprisings by any definition. Please find an example of American Freedom of Speech being abolished and revolts over the Eighteenth Amendment.

I thought we were talking about speech in general? Or are you just changing the subject ever so slightly?

[Edlichbury]

1. Yes, I'm certain THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES has no control over the military ever.
2. Really? Like, have you been to an airport recently? Please, try to walk through security and state you can get on any plane you want, any time you want, without any interference.

1. Never heard of the Pentagon have you? It's only one of the biggest buildings in the world.
2. That isn't a restriction of freedom. That's border-line paranoia that's been in just about every American since 9/11/01.

1. Relevance?
2. Restricted airspace has been a policy long before 9/11.

[Roski]

1: No, they are not synonymous. The Military is allowed to own whatever it wants. Would you take a rubber ducky from a Marine?
2: Air travel is not regulated. What you can bring on a plane is restricted. And all the stuff that was minorly controlled to get on planes, is, guess what, BANNED

You cannot just fly low over a base willy nilly and not get shot down.

Please tell me one airline that travels over a base, at lower than 10k altitude.

[The Fascist American Empire]

1. Never heard of the Pentagon have you? It's only one of the biggest buildings in the world.
2. That isn't a restriction of freedom. That's border-line paranoia that's been in just about every American since 9/11/01.

1. Relevance?
2. Restricted airspace has been a policy long before 9/11.

1. The President once controlled the military, now he has little relevance. He can declare wars, with Congressional approval, and that's about it.
2. Source?

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

1. Yes, I'm certain THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES has no control over the military ever.
2. Really? Like, have you been to an airport recently? Please, try to walk through security and state you can get on any plane you want, any time you want, without any interference.

1. Never heard of the Pentagon have you? It's only one of the biggest buildings in the world.
2. That isn't a restriction of freedom. That's border-line paranoia that's been in just about every American since 9/11/01.

How is being restricted from the freedom to go anywhere in an airport not a literal restriction on freedom?

[Edlichbury]

None of those dealt with the American Eighteenth Amendment, two of them barely involve America and aren't actually American uprisings by any definition. Please find an example of American Freedom of Speech being abolished and revolts over the Eighteenth Amendment.

I thought we were talking about speech in general? Or are you just changing the subject ever so slightly?

Roski's initial comment was that regulation in America always leads to a ban. Ergo, the subject is whether the Freedom of Speech has ever been banned given that we've restricted it.

[Dyakovo]

You realise that there's over 80% support for most gun control but nowhere near that for gun bans in their entirety?
Like seriously, if you want to use a slippery slope how about you use a slope and not a fucking cliff.

You realize that militias make up more than 20% of the country, right?

[citation needed

[The Fascist American Empire]

You cannot just fly low over a base willy nilly and not get shot down.

Please tell me one airline that travels over a base, at lower than 10k altitude.

One that's been hijacked by terrorists, probably. Or the pilot's asleep.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

You cannot just fly low over a base willy nilly and not get shot down.

Please tell me one airline that travels over a base, at lower than 10k altitude.

Point is, they couldn't if they wanted to, obviously.

[Roski]

1: No, they are not synonymous. The Military is allowed to own whatever it wants. Would you take a rubber ducky from a Marine?
2: Air travel is not regulated. What you can bring on a plane is restricted. And all the stuff that was minorly controlled to get on planes, is, guess what, BANNED

1. The Military can own only what is given by Congressional legislation, that's called the power of the purse. That's also ignoring that the military's official leader is the fucking President.
2. No-fly lists are a thing, and protected airspace is a thing. Try again.

1: That is irrelevant to the military itself having regulations. Try again
2: That is irrelevant to getting on a commercial jet and letting the pilot take you somewhere. Try again.

[The Fascist American Empire]

I thought we were talking about speech in general? Or are you just changing the subject ever so slightly?

Roski's initial comment was that regulation in America always leads to a ban. Ergo, the subject is whether the Freedom of Speech has ever been banned given that we've restricted it.

It isn't restricted, on the federal level anyway. Have you never heard of Westborough Baptist Church? If free speech was regulated, you can bet they'd be locked up in a heartbeat… Ok now I agree it's time to end free speech.

[Roski]

Please tell me one airline that travels over a base, at lower than 10k altitude.

Point is, they couldn't if they wanted to, obviously.

They could.
Just wouldn't be intelligent.

[Blazedtown]

I generally assume the motivations for supporting gun control fall into a few categories, being scared of armed minorities, hoplophobia, and just general tyranny.

Yeah, those 30000 deaths a year a just minor details! Clearly people who have actually tried to combat institutionalised racism a secretly scared of black people, and not trying to end one of the greatest epidemics in America. It'd be silly to think we'd do something about 30000 deaths a year, when have we ever enacted policies simply because a lot of people died?

The answer to reducing crime is combating poverty, not taking away people's rights.

[Bambifan101]

I thought we were talking about speech in general? Or are you just changing the subject ever so slightly?

Roski's initial comment was that regulation in America always leads to a ban. Ergo, the subject is whether the Freedom of Speech has ever been banned given that we've restricted it.

Roski's initial comment was that most gun control measures don't work because they are seen as the prelude to a gun ban. This leads to paranoia on the right that "our guns are being taken asway by the feds" which in turn leads to a spike in gun sales. Thus the solution isn't just gun restrictions but also increased awareness and gun safety education.