by Galter Gulcher » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:54 pm
by Caninope » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:03 am
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:05 am
Galter Gulcher wrote:The Founding Fathers did know there would be semi automatic weaponry when they wrote the Second Amendment. But how you ask? There were some relatively unsuccessful semi automatic weaponry designed before that point, these included the Puckle Gun, invented in 1718 by a Brit named James Puckle. Now, you might say. "That! That was just a relatively small and unknown invention that never went anywhere." You might think so until you hear of the Kalthoff repeater, it was used extensively by the Royal Foot Guards of Denmark who were issued a couple hundred of them during the Siege of Copenhagen. Well, you still might claim that the Founding Fathers never heard of these. Well, look now at the Girandoni Air Rifle, it was a Austrian air rifle used QUITE extensively in the Austrian Army, in fact, the Lewis-Clark expedition was equipped with one of these weapons. Now, you might say that this only reached America in 1804, thus my claim is null and void. BUT NOW, I unveil to you...The Belton flintlock! Yes, this flintlock rifle was capable of firing "sixteen or twenty [balls], in sixteen, ten, or five seconds of time". " now, in case you have any doubt that the Founding Fathers knew of this weapon,it might interest you to know that the same Belton Flintlock was offered to the Continental Congress, whom showed interest in purchasing a quantity of Belton Flintlocks. However, the deal never went through. However, the Continental Congress was now well aware of the concept of semi-automatic weaponry. Many members of the Continental Congress later became Framers of the constitution.
So, all you haters, I have presented you with evidence that the Framers, glory be upon them were well aware of the existence and future of high capacity, fast shooting weaponry. Your rebuttal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
by Galter Gulcher » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:07 am
Dyakovo wrote:Galter Gulcher wrote:The Founding Fathers did know there would be semi automatic weaponry when they wrote the Second Amendment. But how you ask? There were some relatively unsuccessful semi automatic weaponry designed before that point, these included the Puckle Gun, invented in 1718 by a Brit named James Puckle. Now, you might say. "That! That was just a relatively small and unknown invention that never went anywhere." You might think so until you hear of the Kalthoff repeater, it was used extensively by the Royal Foot Guards of Denmark who were issued a couple hundred of them during the Siege of Copenhagen. Well, you still might claim that the Founding Fathers never heard of these. Well, look now at the Girandoni Air Rifle, it was a Austrian air rifle used QUITE extensively in the Austrian Army, in fact, the Lewis-Clark expedition was equipped with one of these weapons. Now, you might say that this only reached America in 1804, thus my claim is null and void. BUT NOW, I unveil to you...The Belton flintlock! Yes, this flintlock rifle was capable of firing "sixteen or twenty [balls], in sixteen, ten, or five seconds of time". " now, in case you have any doubt that the Founding Fathers knew of this weapon,it might interest you to know that the same Belton Flintlock was offered to the Continental Congress, whom showed interest in purchasing a quantity of Belton Flintlocks. However, the deal never went through. However, the Continental Congress was now well aware of the concept of semi-automatic weaponry. Many members of the Continental Congress later became Framers of the constitution.
So, all you haters, I have presented you with evidence that the Framers, glory be upon them were well aware of the existence and future of high capacity, fast shooting weaponry. Your rebuttal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
What's your point?
by Draica » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:07 am
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:10 am
by Galter Gulcher » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:11 am
by Draica » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:24 am
Avenio wrote:Methinks that basing an entire system of government on the exact, in context opinions of people that lived 300 years ago is pretty flawed from the outset, but whatever floats your boat, OP.
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:25 am
by Draica » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:26 am
by Fascist Russian Empire » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:33 am
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:34 am
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:34 am
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:And? Gun control shouldn't be used because it's a fucking stupid idea (#ProhibitionDoesn'tWork), not because a few people who died centuries ago knew what semi-automatic guns were. The "founding fathers" were just a bunch of revolutionaries who happened to win a war; there's nothing special about them and they don't matter anymore than anyone else.
by Fascist Russian Empire » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:36 am
Dyakovo wrote:Fascist Russian Empire wrote:And? Gun control shouldn't be used because it's a fucking stupid idea (#ProhibitionDoesn'tWork), not because a few people who died centuries ago knew what semi-automatic guns were. The "founding fathers" were just a bunch of revolutionaries who happened to win a war; there's nothing special about them and they don't matter anymore than anyone else.
Gun control =/= gun ban
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:37 am
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:39 am
Galter Gulcher wrote:The Founding Fathers did know there would be semi automatic weaponry when they wrote the Second Amendment. But how you ask? There were some relatively unsuccessful semi automatic weaponry designed before that point, these included the Puckle Gun, invented in 1718 by a Brit named James Puckle. Now, you might say. "That! That was just a relatively small and unknown invention that never went anywhere." You might think so until you hear of the Kalthoff repeater, it was used extensively by the Royal Foot Guards of Denmark who were issued a couple hundred of them during the Siege of Copenhagen. Well, you still might claim that the Founding Fathers never heard of these. Well, look now at the Girandoni Air Rifle, it was a Austrian air rifle used QUITE extensively in the Austrian Army, in fact, the Lewis-Clark expedition was equipped with one of these weapons. Now, you might say that this only reached America in 1804, thus my claim is null and void. BUT NOW, I unveil to you...The Belton flintlock! Yes, this flintlock rifle was capable of firing "sixteen or twenty [balls], in sixteen, ten, or five seconds of time". " now, in case you have any doubt that the Founding Fathers knew of this weapon,it might interest you to know that the same Belton Flintlock was offered to the Continental Congress, whom showed interest in purchasing a quantity of Belton Flintlocks. However, the deal never went through. However, the Continental Congress was now well aware of the concept of semi-automatic weaponry. Many members of the Continental Congress later became Framers of the constitution.
So, all you haters, I have presented you with evidence that the Framers, glory be upon them were well aware of the existence and future of high capacity, fast shooting weaponry. Your rebuttal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
by The New Lowlands » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:39 am
by Draica » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:41 am
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:And? Gun control shouldn't be used because it's a fucking stupid idea (#ProhibitionDoesn'tWork), not because a few people who died centuries ago knew what semi-automatic guns were. The "founding fathers" were just a bunch of revolutionaries who happened to win a war; there's nothing special about them and they don't matter anymore than anyone else.
by The New Lowlands » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:44 am
Draica wrote:Fascist Russian Empire wrote:And? Gun control shouldn't be used because it's a fucking stupid idea (#ProhibitionDoesn'tWork), not because a few people who died centuries ago knew what semi-automatic guns were. The "founding fathers" were just a bunch of revolutionaries who happened to win a war; there's nothing special about them and they don't matter anymore than anyone else.
A bunch of revolutionaries, hm? Well, I think those "a bunch of revolutionaries" for setting an example for the world.
FACT: The United States of America was the first nation on the planet that was born out of the idea that people had the capacity to totally govern themselves.
FACT: The United States in that time period was one of the first countries to protect the right of thought, speech AND Religion. inFACT the U.S. was the first country ever to protect Freedom of Religion.
I mean, come on, the framers were brilliant.
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:47 am
Draica wrote:Fascist Russian Empire wrote:And? Gun control shouldn't be used because it's a fucking stupid idea (#ProhibitionDoesn'tWork), not because a few people who died centuries ago knew what semi-automatic guns were. The "founding fathers" were just a bunch of revolutionaries who happened to win a war; there's nothing special about them and they don't matter anymore than anyone else.
A bunch of revolutionaries, hm? Well, I think those "a bunch of revolutionaries" for setting an example for the world.
FACT: The United States of America was the first nation on the planet that was born out of the idea that people had the capacity to totally govern themselves.
FACT: The United States in that time period was one of the first countries to protect the right of thought, speech AND Religion. inFACT the U.S. was the first country ever to protect Freedom of Religion.
I mean, come on, the framers were brilliant.
by Fascist Russian Empire » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:48 am
Dyakovo wrote:Not even close.
Draica wrote:A bunch of revolutionaries, hm? Well, I think those "a bunch of revolutionaries" for setting an example for the world.
1: FACT: The United States of America was the first nation on the planet that was born out of the idea that people had the capacity to totally govern themselves.
2: FACT: The United States in that time period was one of the first countries to protect the right of thought, speech AND Religion. inFACT the U.S. was the first country ever to protect Freedom of Religion.
I mean, come on, the framers were brilliant.
by Dyakovo » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:50 am
by Draica » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:54 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Galter Gulcher wrote:The Founding Fathers did know there would be semi automatic weaponry when they wrote the Second Amendment. But how you ask? There were some relatively unsuccessful semi automatic weaponry designed before that point, these included the Puckle Gun, invented in 1718 by a Brit named James Puckle. Now, you might say. "That! That was just a relatively small and unknown invention that never went anywhere." You might think so until you hear of the Kalthoff repeater, it was used extensively by the Royal Foot Guards of Denmark who were issued a couple hundred of them during the Siege of Copenhagen. Well, you still might claim that the Founding Fathers never heard of these. Well, look now at the Girandoni Air Rifle, it was a Austrian air rifle used QUITE extensively in the Austrian Army, in fact, the Lewis-Clark expedition was equipped with one of these weapons. Now, you might say that this only reached America in 1804, thus my claim is null and void. BUT NOW, I unveil to you...The Belton flintlock! Yes, this flintlock rifle was capable of firing "sixteen or twenty [balls], in sixteen, ten, or five seconds of time". " now, in case you have any doubt that the Founding Fathers knew of this weapon,it might interest you to know that the same Belton Flintlock was offered to the Continental Congress, whom showed interest in purchasing a quantity of Belton Flintlocks. However, the deal never went through. However, the Continental Congress was now well aware of the concept of semi-automatic weaponry. Many members of the Continental Congress later became Framers of the constitution.
So, all you haters, I have presented you with evidence that the Framers, glory be upon them were well aware of the existence and future of high capacity, fast shooting weaponry. Your rebuttal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
ok maybe they knew...
but i still disagree with their views and i think the 2nd Amendment should never have been added. US would have been a better place from the start if guns were banned/closed to completely banned like in every other advanced democracy...
i don't think we would have had all those school shootings and stuff...
didn't the founding fathers own slaves too? i don't their views should count for much...
by New Grestin » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:54 am
The New Lowlands wrote:You know, most nations consider ancestor-worship to be uncivilised.
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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