Teen girl threatens airline with terror attack

[Blakk Metal]

Any word if she was a member of the United Bieber Fever Alliance? Those fuckers can be vicious.

[Orla]

Send two nice looking police officers and give her a long, long talk.

[Orla]

Any word if she was a member of the United Bieber Fever Alliance? Those fuckers can be vicious.

Is Justin Bieber even relevant anymore?

[Blakk Metal]

Send two nice looking police officers and give her a long, long talk.

Is "give her a long, long talk" a euphemism?

[AiliailiA]

Should she be prosecuted? Yes, for causing terror and panic.
Did she cause terror and panic? Yes, AA and the police think so.

So basically, anyone investigated by the police should be prosecuted. If there's a basis of "concern" to justify investigation ... punish the suspect.

I wish you'd stop pretending to be a liberal. You aren't at all.

Yes, which is what happened. The suspect was punished.

Goodness, that was quick. Just yesterday I heard she was arrested. She's been sentenced already?

I'm not sure what your point is. I mean, yeah, no one panicked, although you did said "yes" to your own question...

The end of the post should make plain that the first two lines are my simplified summary of Frisivisiaing's circular argument.

This isn't the sort of argument liberals make.

"A should be punished, because what A did was wrong
What A did was wrong, because the police are investigating it"

Many conservatives wouldn't make that argument either, because they have moral courage and are not afraid of being wrong or only half-right.

But the authoritarian conservatives would. By which I mean those whose conservatism is based on unthinking obedience to authority and tradition and are literally afraid of entertaining any doubt in their own mind.

Frisivisi isn't one of the latter, but there's an authoritarian element there, illustrated by this argument that a police investigation shows moral failing on the part of the one investigated.

It baffles me how people could think he genuinely admires Joe Biden. Do these people read the forum? Or only look at the pictures?

[Orla]

Send two nice looking police officers and give her a long, long talk.

Is "give her a long, long talk" a euphemism?

No, of course not.

[Trelso]

Yes, which is what happened. The suspect was punished.

Goodness, that was quick. Just yesterday I heard she was arrested. She's been sentenced already?

I'm not sure what your point is. I mean, yeah, no one panicked, although you did said "yes" to your own question...

The end of the post should make plain that the first two lines are my simplified summary of Frisivisiaing's circular argument.

This isn't the sort of argument liberals make.

"A should be punished, because what A did was wrong
What A did was wrong, because the police are investigating it"

Many conservatives wouldn't make that argument either, because they have moral courage and are not afraid of being wrong or only half-right.

But the authoritarian conservatives would. By which I mean those whose conservatism is based on unthinking obedience to authority and tradition and are literally afraid of entertaining any doubt in their own mind.

Frisivisi isn't one of the latter, but there's an authoritarian element there, illustrated by this argument that a police investigation shows moral failing on the part of the one investigated.

It baffles me how people could think he genuinely admires Joe Biden. Do these people read the forum? Or only look at the pictures?

Shall I give you a -very- simple reason as to exactly why she should be punished, and with an actual meaningful punishment?

Failure to do so will green-light morons everywhere into copycat 'threats'. Every single one of these 'threats' has to then be investigate - in this case it was the Netherlands, thus it likely didn't strain their CTU (or whatever the Dutch call it) particularly, however if 1,000 moron teenagers do it in, say, Britain the British CTU will have to investigate each and every one of them. That's wasted resources, wasted time and, potentially, delays investigations into LEGITIMATE threats.

Additionally, had this been a slightly more intelligent prank (aka, one not so full of blatantly racist undertones) it could potentially have caused panic and lost AA trade for that day.

[Kalarin]

Sometimes I worry about education when I see stuff like this happening. It seems like common sense that in this day and age common sense would dictate that its never a good idea to make a joke bomb threat.

*sigh

[Imperializt Russia]

http://myfox8.com/2014/04/13/teen-has-apparent-meltdown-after-tweeting-terror-threat-to-american-airlines/

A Twitter user is backtracking after she apparently tweeted a threat to American Airlines.

Twitter user @QueenDemetriax_ apparently sent a tweet to American Airlines that read:

“Hello, my name is Ibrahim and I am from Afghanistan. I am part of Al Qaeda and on June 1 I am gonna do something really big bye.”

American Airlines publicly responded:

“Sarah, we take these threats very seriously. Your IP address and details will be forwarded to security and the FBI.”

@QueenDemetriax_ has since changed her public name to demetria and has tweeted several times since American Airlines responded publicly to her “threat.”

The airline later deleted its response to @QueenDemetriax_and issued a statement:

“At American, the safety of our passengers and crew is our number one priority,” American said in a statement. “We take security matters very seriously and work with authorities on a case by case basis.”

The FBI has not commented on the tweet.

My response: What a fucking idiot. She deserves all punishment, she needs to learn. However, I can't help but to feel bad for her because of stupid things I did when I was younger.

What are your thoughts, NS?

In the UK, we're making it so that things you post online such as tweets, facebook posts and probably this forum message I'm logging now, are held to the same standards of libel and such that journalists are.

Because of basically this exact event.

[Ifreann]

http://myfox8.com/2014/04/13/teen-has-apparent-meltdown-after-tweeting-terror-threat-to-american-airlines/



My response: What a fucking idiot. She deserves all punishment, she needs to learn. However, I can't help but to feel bad for her because of stupid things I did when I was younger.

What are your thoughts, NS?

In the UK, we're making it so that things you post online such as tweets, facebook posts and probably this forum message I'm logging now, are held to the same standards of libel and such that journalists are.

Because of basically this exact event.

You aren't making it to be so, it is so. And why wouldn't it be?

[Magna Libero]

Sometimes I worry about education when I see stuff like this happening. It seems like common sense that in this day and age common sense would dictate that its never a good idea to make a joke bomb threat.

*sigh

You mean common sense would say that the police overreacted and that everyone should have noticed that it was just a joke?

I laughed when I heard this. I mean c'mon a person called "Sarah" says "My name is Ibrahim" and that she is making a threat. At the next moment they contact Sarah that they are very serious and that her information has been handed over and finally she is arrested. I mean WTF?? Those policemen should be fired for incompetence and waste of resources.

[Imperializt Russia]

In the UK, we're making it so that things you post online such as tweets, facebook posts and probably this forum message I'm logging now, are held to the same standards of libel and such that journalists are.

Because of basically this exact event.

You aren't making it to be so, it is so. And why wouldn't it be?

A law had to be introduced and I'm not certain it has yet passed.

It had to be, because clearly people weren't already getting the message.
I assume that it was technically already covered, this was just making it abundantly clear by giving those media forms special mention.
Like when Her Maj's government makes you sign the Official Secrets Act. You're always under obligation to follow its terms. The signing of it makes it abundantly clear.

[Ifreann]

Sometimes I worry about education when I see stuff like this happening. It seems like common sense that in this day and age common sense would dictate that its never a good idea to make a joke bomb threat.

*sigh

You mean common sense would say that the police overreacted and that everyone should have noticed that it was just a joke?

I laughed when I heard this. I mean c'mon a person called "Sarah" says "My name is Ibrahim" and that she is making a threat. At the next moment they contact Sarah that they are very serious and that her information has been handed over and finally she is arrested. I mean WTF?? Those policemen should be fired for incompetence and waste of resources.

So if someone uses a fake name online, they're obviously totally trustworthy and law abiding?

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You aren't making it to be so, it is so. And why wouldn't it be?

A law had to be introduced and I'm not certain it has yet passed.

It had to be, because clearly people weren't already getting the message.
I assume that it was technically already covered, this was just making it abundantly clear by giving those media forms special mention.
Like when Her Maj's government makes you sign the Official Secrets Act. You're always under obligation to follow its terms. The signing of it makes it abundantly clear.

That would make sense. This thread is evidence enough that not everyone realises that the law doesn't go away when you use a computer, so it might be a good idea to pass a law saying "No, seriously, you can't defame people online".

[Connahkstan]

A few years in federal prision, maybe just a public lashing. Stupid people need to learn.

[The blood ravens]

A few years in federal prision, maybe just a public lashing. Stupid people need to learn.

Public lashing? What is this? The 17th century?

[Purpelia]

A few years in federal prision, maybe just a public lashing. Stupid people need to learn.

Public lashing? What is this? The 17th century?

Well given that the average person back than had more common sense than she does maybe it's not that out of place?

[Great Nepal]

A few years in federal prision, maybe just a public lashing. Stupid people need to learn.

Like people who dont know Netherlands is not USA or that 21st century is not 18th century?

[Kyuji]

A few years in federal prision, maybe just a public lashing. Stupid people need to learn.

Like people who dont know Netherlands is not USA or that 21st century is not 18th century?

Or people who don't know that we live in a post 9/11 world , where any and all bomb threats are taken seriously?

[Ucropi]

She's not an American citizen, so the American government has no jurisdiction.

[Ifreann]

Like people who dont know Netherlands is not USA or that 21st century is not 18th century?

Or people who don't know that we live in a post 9/11 world , where any and all bomb threats are taken seriously?

Bomb threats, and hoax bomb threats, were serious business before that terror attack, which incidentally involved no bombs.

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She's not an American citizen, so the American government has no jurisdiction.

That's not how jurisdiction works. You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.

[Purpelia]

She's not an American citizen, so the American government has no jurisdiction.

Has that ever stopped them before?

[Ifreann]

She's not an American citizen, so the American government has no jurisdiction.

Has that ever stopped them before?

Of course it has.

[Purpelia]

Has that ever stopped them before?

Of course it has.

I am yet to see a single case where an american drone suddenly turns around because the target of murder is a foreigner or in a foreign country to america.

[Ucropi]

She's not an American citizen, so the American government has no jurisdiction.

That's not how jurisdiction works. You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.

ju·ris·dic·tion
ˌjo͝orisˈdikSHən/Submit
noun
1.
the official power to make legal decisions and judgments


So pretty sure America has no official power to make legal decisions or judgments in the Netherlands.

[Great Nepal]

Like people who dont know Netherlands is not USA or that 21st century is not 18th century?

Or people who don't know that we live in a post 9/11 world , where any and all bomb threats are taken seriously?

Of course it should be taken seriously, just not seriously enough to put Dutch fourteen year old in federal prison and public lashing. As I said so many times, probation is more than enough.