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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:04 pm

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Well then.


Assist:

Noun- A person who believes in being an ass.


I thought it was a person who promulgates the theory of ass?
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Postby Lyttenburg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:04 pm

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It's not a "slang word".


Yes it is. I find it funny that you a Russian is making claims about the American language.


I'm pretty sure that it's not an "American-born" word, but instead, a word created using a Latin. A lot of Latin-born terms are internationally accepted.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:05 pm

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Metapedia and Urban dictionary don't count as formal dictionaries, for the record.


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/sp ... osexualism


Says "no definition found" :p
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Postby Roski » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:06 pm

Homosexuality is not a choice, and even if it was, why does that matter?


The LGBT community should have the same types of freedoms others have because they are still human, not subhuman, nor are they a master race.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:06 pm

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Yes it is. I find it funny that you a Russian is making claims about the American language.


I'm pretty sure that it's not an "American-born" word, but instead, a word created using a Latin. A lot of Latin-born terms are internationally accepted.

Yes some Latin words are accepted, however homosexualism is not commonly accepted in the English language. It does have connontations you need to be aware of. Words like auditorium still exist in the English language, but homosexualism is a new term and is not accepted in common English.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:06 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:


Says "no definition found" :p


That's the point :lol:
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Postby Lyttenburg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:07 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:Try Merriam-Webster or Encarta; for British English try Oxford.


Merriam-Webster? Chek. Comments section is... entertaining.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:08 pm

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Yes it is. I find it funny that you a Russian is making claims about the American language.


I'm pretty sure that it's not an "American-born" word, but instead, a word created using a Latin. A lot of Latin-born terms are internationally accepted.


Homosexuality is an English word spoken by Anglophones and a proper word in day-to-day usage. Homosexualism isn't, and it is considered a slang in English usage.

The fact that you're Russian sort of forgives it, knowing you are an ESL speaker, but not beyond that.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:08 pm

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That's their problem if they don't know something, not mine.



WikiDictionary - not trustworthy?


Actually it is your problem because you are using a term in a way that most English speakers would make assumptions about. This is a problem for you because you are not a native speaker of the language.
No it isn't. Wiki dictionary includes highly uncommon slang terms and can still be edited by anyone. The term is not in common use. In fact until you yourself used that term I had never heard of it.


I'd only heard it used by my former associates from the League of the South as evidence that the United States is out of touch with the culture and identity of the South. The argument was that the South is more capable of addressing the concerns of the homosexual southrons because their sexual preference isn't a part of their cultural identity unlike "yankee homosexualists."

While some on this forum might find that objectionable in its own right, I find it downright progressive considering the individuals I was associated with from that organization. After all, hyperconservative Protestant southerners accepting that some southerners were gay and therefore merited representation by a new government that thought in southern terms?
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:08 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:It is however not common usage in English, and has certain connotations. Most people will read that and think you are making homosexuality into an ideology.


That's their problem if they don't know something, not mine.


No, no, no.

Or, in words you might be more familiar with, nyet, nyet, nyet.

That's not how it works. A word has its literal definition, or denotation, and its implied meaning, or connotation. The difference between "homosexuality" and "homosexualism" in English is as stark as the difference between "getting lost" and "getting disappeared" in Russian. On the face, both pairs of words have similar denotations, but their deeper, implied meanings are much, much different.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:09 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Try Merriam-Webster or Encarta; for British English try Oxford.


Merriam-Webster? Chek. Comments section is... entertaining.


http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/sp ... osexualist

Oxford disagree's
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:09 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Try Merriam-Webster or Encarta; for British English try Oxford.


Merriam-Webster? Chek. Comments section is... entertaining.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexualism

The root word from where "homosexualist" should come from is undefined. Try again.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:10 pm

Distruzio wrote:
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Assist:

Noun- A person who believes in being an ass.


I thought it was a person who promulgates the theory of ass?


"The Theory of Ass".

Damn, that sounds like something I could really get into....if you know what I mean. :p
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:11 pm

Grenartia wrote:
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I thought it was a person who promulgates the theory of ass?


"The Theory of Ass".

Damn, that sounds like something I could really get into....if you know what I mean. :p


Lol. I feel you.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:14 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:The "ist" in "therapist" is not a suffix. Try again.


Yes it is. As in words like: protagonist, altruist, dramatist, orthopedist, antagonists, bigamist and many others.

Sorry, typing to fast and not proof-reading after changing my mind as to how I was to word my reply. My post should have read "the same" rather than "a"...
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:14 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
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I'm pretty sure that it's not an "American-born" word, but instead, a word created using a Latin. A lot of Latin-born terms are internationally accepted.

Yes some Latin words are accepted, however homosexualism is not commonly accepted in the English language. It does have connontations you need to be aware of. Words like auditorium still exist in the English language, but homosexualism is a new term and is not accepted in common English.


And I mean, it is commonly accepted, but in more descriptive circles where the rule of "as long as it doesn't break English it's good to go" is accepted, certainly not in normal English where it doesn't forgive such a radical variation of a synonym.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:17 pm

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Yes it is. As in words like: protagonist, altruist, dramatist, orthopedist, antagonists, bigamist and many others.


You're arguing with a native English speaker over his language, that's about as stupid as if we tried to argue over the Russian language with you.

He's actually right. I changed my choice of wording on my reply and didn't proof-read my post before hitting submit.
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Postby Lyttenburg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:17 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Lyttenburg wrote:
Merriam-Webster? Chek. Comments section is... entertaining.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexualism

The root word from where "homosexualist" should come from is undefined. Try again.


Look, I can bombard you with links to other dictionaries.

Look - this word exist. And you, and others may not "like" it. I won't stop using it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:17 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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You're arguing with a native English speaker over his language, that's about as stupid as if we tried to argue over the Russian language with you.

He's actually right. I changed my choice of wording on my reply and didn't proof-read my post before hitting submit.


Bad Dyakovo, proof read dammit :p
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:18 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kiruri wrote:That just lists words with ist.


I actually have to disagree with Dyakovo about this one.
the suffix ist has a few usages. It can be used to describe a person who believes or practices something, a member of a profession (therapist, or dentist), or a person who performs some sort of action (plagiarist).

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:19 pm

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexualism

The root word from where "homosexualist" should come from is undefined. Try again.


Look, I can bombard you with links to other dictionaries.

Look - this word exist. And you, and others may not "like" it. I won't stop using it.


All of these are informal dictionaries, not academic ones.

All I'm telling you is that such a word doesn't exist in formal usage. Perhaps in a slang term, but not formally. If you want to keep on using it and be wrong be my guest, but I think I know more English being here 11 years than you do.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:20 pm

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You're arguing with a native English speaker over his language, that's about as stupid as if we tried to argue over the Russian language with you.


You say the backwards 'R' like a regular 'R', right?

No, the "Я" makes the "ya" sound.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:20 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexualism

The root word from where "homosexualist" should come from is undefined. Try again.


Look, I can bombard you with links to other dictionaries.

Look - this word exist. And you, and others may not "like" it. I won't stop using it.


Does this mean if I learn Russian and visit your country, get lost in the woods, and tell the story, and instead of saying "getting lost", I say I "got disappeared", it would be a legitimate usage of that term, and any misunderstandings that result are the fault of the listeners?
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Postby Lyttenburg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:21 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
All of these are informal dictionaries, not academic ones.

All I'm telling you is that such a word doesn't exist in formal usage. Perhaps in a slang term, but not formally. If you want to keep on using it and be wrong be my guest, but I think I know more English being here 11 years than you do.


But that's not a "slang dictionaries". Just dictionaries.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:21 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexualism

The root word from where "homosexualist" should come from is undefined. Try again.


Look, I can bombard you with links to other dictionaries.

Look - this word exist. And you, and others may not "like" it. I won't stop using it.


Not in the sense you are trying to give it. The word is not in common usage at all, and it has connotations you are clearly ignoring. If you want to be misunderstood continue to use a practically non-existant unused word with connotations you are unaware of, go ahead, but then be prepared to be called on it by every native English speaker you meet. Oh and again, those sites don't support you as they have no authority in the English language.
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