Christian theological question.

[Conserative Morality]

They are offtopic. Nuff said. If you want to continue the back and forth tit-for-tat, then start up another religion vs science thread and I will join you there. Maybe. I have a movie to go see tonight.

It wasn't off topic until you found yourself unable to create a rebuttal to my arguments. Now you make excuses as to why you most likely will not respond, even if I do create another thread, even though I have shown that this argument is (Marginally) on topic.

[Acadzia]

Unless you are absolutely convinced God exists. So, why are you bothering with this little crusade of yours?

Ignorance must be fought wherever it occurs. If it is hopeless, then so be it. It's not like I'm harming myself in any way. If I can convince so much as a single person with my arguments, then that will be one more person relieved of the burden of blind faith in this world, and thus the world will improve, however slightly and locally.

So selfless!
/swoon

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

It wasn't off topic until you found yourself unable to create a rebuttal to my arguments. Now you make excuses as to why you most likely will not respond, even if I do create another thread, even though I have shown that this argument is (Marginally) on topic.

It's like Bluth's "You didn't follow my arbitrary and selectively invoked principles of civilized discussion, so I can ignore you."

[Conserative Morality]

You insist on keeping this derailment going. I can respond to each and every of the attacks.

No, you really can't.

I choose not to, in order to re-rail this discussion.

This discussion is on topic, as I've stated before.

DROP IT.

Saying something in caps does not make it an executive order.

I will no longer respond to this line of attacks in this thread.

Mostly because you cannot prove that our line of arguments are in any way wrong or flawed on this matter.

[Conserative Morality]

So selfless!
/swoon

Well, I also enjoy the act of arguing.

[Milks Empire]

It wasn't off topic until you found yourself unable to create a rebuttal to my arguments. Now you make excuses as to why you most likely will not respond, even if I do create another thread, even though I have shown that this argument is (Marginally) on topic.

It's like Bluth's "You didn't follow my arbitrary and selectively invoked principles of civilized discussion, so I can ignore you."

Which is why I don't bother with either of them unless I want lulz. But that bit is totally off-topic, so I'm gonna shut up now.

[New Illuve]

Does God elect certain people to go to heaven/hell?

Did Audumla (the cow created from the melting of the same piece of Niflheim ice that the giant Ymir, whose body the world was later created of, was born from) and her licking of the salt of the Niflheim ice give rise to Buri? Then how did he give rise to Bor, when there were no women for him to impregnate? And where did Bor's wife, Ymir's daughter, Besla come from, if Ymir's sweat only gave birth to the three gods Odin, Ville and Ve and no giant females? Perplexing.

Beyond the obvious answer that much of the Lore is lost - thanks to the all-loving Christians - it's wonderful to see the true creation story reported!

[Wilgrove]

Riddle me this. Why cant science create life?

Who says it can't?

Wait. I thought science was the end all beat all. Exactly HOW did life began? Random lightning bolts hitting a primeordial soup? Why cant we do that today? We have lighting. We know what was in that primeordeal soup.

Show me any scientific proof that ANYONE, ANYWHERE has created life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

Didn't we do cloning? You know Dolly the Sheep? Isn't that creating life?

[New Limacon]

Riddle me this. Why cant science create life?

Who says it can't?

Wait. I thought science was the end all beat all. Exactly HOW did life began? Random lightning bolts hitting a primeordial soup? Why cant we do that today? We have lighting. We know what was in that primeordeal soup.

Show me any scientific proof that ANYONE, ANYWHERE has created life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

Didn't we do cloning? You know Dolly the Sheep? Isn't that creating life?

Or, you know, ordinary reproduction. That's pretty life-creatin'.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Unless you are absolutely convinced God exists. So, why are you bothering with this little crusade of yours?

Ignorance must be fought wherever it occurs. If it is hopeless, then so be it. It's not like I'm harming myself in any way. If I can convince so much as a single person with my arguments, then that will be one more person relieved of the burden of blind faith in this world, and thus the world will improve, however slightly and locally.

Oh, how cute.

Dude, this is NSG. We argue for the sake of arguing, not because we think we'll actually make a difference. Pfft.

[Barzan]

Sadly, yes. I think most people are "too busy" with life to go to Church. Some have been offended. Some are old and have "retired" from Church. To me, as a Mormon, partaking of the Sacrament every Sabbath is a commandment and should not be missed. People tend to lose thier spirituality on a daily bassis so the trend is always decreasing over the week, due to the general nastiness in the world. Going to Church on Sunday (or Synagogue on Sat, or whatever) gives your spirituality a boost, effectively erasing the negativity of the week and allows you to start afresh.

Even from the perspective of those who do believe, I don't see the point of going to church. Any evidence that people "decay" in spirituality over the week?

Actually, there isn't really any requirement about going to church. Two guys talking about God can be church. It's organised religions that try to push political agendas that try and tell you one must attend church.

[New Limacon]

Oh, how cute.

Dude, this is NSG. We argue for the sake of arguing, not because we think we'll actually make a difference. Pfft.

Arguing over the Internet has been compared to the act of pleasuring oneself. There is something to that, but I think to really understand forum debates, you have to think of pleasuring oneself while using prophylactics. It's that sterile.

[Gerechtigkeit fur Mann]

Riddle me this. Why cant science create life?

Who says it can't?

Wait. I thought science was the end all beat all. Exactly HOW did life began? Random lightning bolts hitting a primeordial soup? Why cant we do that today? We have lighting. We know what was in that primeordeal soup.

Show me any scientific proof that ANYONE, ANYWHERE has created life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

Didn't we do cloning? You know Dolly the Sheep? Isn't that creating life?

No, that's life derived, rather OBVIOUSLY I might add, from pre-existing life. Are you sure you are not a troll?

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Riddle me this. Why cant science create life?

Who says it can't?

Wait. I thought science was the end all beat all. Exactly HOW did life began? Random lightning bolts hitting a primeordial soup? Why cant we do that today? We have lighting. We know what was in that primeordeal soup.

Show me any scientific proof that ANYONE, ANYWHERE has created life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

Didn't we do cloning? You know Dolly the Sheep? Isn't that creating life?

Or, you know, ordinary reproduction. That's pretty life-creatin'.

The requirement was creating life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, how cute.

Dude, this is NSG. We argue for the sake of arguing, not because we think we'll actually make a difference. Pfft.

Doing both is always nice. I mean, my opinion has been changed on here several times.

[Buffett and Colbert]

No, that's life derived, rather OBVIOUSLY I might add, from pre-existing life. Are you sure you are not a troll?

That depends on your definition of creation. But that's besides the point; you obviously don't know the definition of a troll and solely like to use it because you think it gives you an aura of superiority.

[Wilgrove]

Riddle me this. Why cant science create life?

Who says it can't?

Wait. I thought science was the end all beat all. Exactly HOW did life began? Random lightning bolts hitting a primeordial soup? Why cant we do that today? We have lighting. We know what was in that primeordeal soup.

Show me any scientific proof that ANYONE, ANYWHERE has created life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

Didn't we do cloning? You know Dolly the Sheep? Isn't that creating life?

No, that's life derived, rather OBVIOUSLY I might add, from pre-existing life. Are you sure you are not a troll?

Ok, how am I a troll?

[Conserative Morality]

Ok, how am I a troll?

You have an opinion contrary to his.

[Omnicracy]

Does God elect certain people to go to heaven/hell?

A yes/no answer will suffice, with appropriate scriptural backing.

If you say yes, what, then, are the criteria for God's choice?

If no, does this mean he doesn't have absolute sovereignty over what happens?

Quick question. If you are a Christian who believes the Bible is flawed, could you still say what you think?

[Wilgrove]

Ok, how am I a troll?

You have an opinion contrary to his.

Well KiloMikeAlpha asked if Science has ever created life, and I pointed to cloning. Apparently answering a question is trolling.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Does God elect certain people to go to heaven/hell?

A yes/no answer will suffice, with appropriate scriptural backing.

If you say yes, what, then, are the criteria for God's choice?

If no, does this mean he doesn't have absolute sovereignty over what happens?

Quick question. If you are a Christian who believes the Bible is flawed, could you still say what you think?

Sure. There are many Christians who belive the Bible to be the Word of God so long as it is translated correctly. The Bible contradicts itself on many occasions. Most of the contradictions are based on points of reference and slight errors in memory, but there are some doctrinally significant errors as well.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

The requirement was creating life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

Well, since sperm and ova are haploid, ordinary reproduction does create life out of something more basic than one celled organisms.

[Terascyn]

Are you talking about predestination, or just whether God in the end decides who gets to go where?

I believe they would likely go hand in hand, right? God predestines a certain amount of people to become the elect, and the rest go to hell, right?

I believe God is indeed omniscient, therefore, he/He knew who would be worthy to enter heaven ahead of time, but gives people the time to think about it or to completely dispose of the idea and hope like hell that they were correct. Too bad they weren't.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

I also love how you're accusing us of bringing up red herrings, when you're the one that brought up whether or not we could make life, as if that has to do with anything.

[Conserative Morality]

Well KiloMikeAlpha asked if Science has ever created life, and I pointed to cloning. Apparently answering a question is trolling.

Only if the answer messes with the way they perceive the world.