Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Shaggai]

I'm stealing that.

No, because the foetus isn't the man who raped her.

So? The man's genitals didn't decide to rape her. They should still be removed. Edit: From her, I mean. He should not be castrated unless completely necessary.

And yes they have to be consented to separately, hence it's two consenting partners having sex.

Then you cannot claim that by consenting to sex you consent to the risk of pregnancy. Therefore, if pregnancy is not consented to, the fetus is violating her bodily sovereignty without her consent and should be removed.

No foetus has consented to an abortion, I would think.

And if the man does not consent to stop? Should he be allowed to continue?

[The ivain isles]

No, because the foetus isn't the man who raped her. And yes they have to be consented to separately, hence it's two consenting partners having sex. No foetus has consented to an abortion, I would think.

So do parasitic worms have to consent in order for us to remove them from our bodies?

Are they human?

[The Norgan Alliance]

No, because the foetus isn't the man who raped her. And yes they have to be consented to separately, hence it's two consenting partners having sex. No foetus has consented to an abortion, I would think.

No, because a fetus can't consent.

Therefore abortions shouldn't be allowed.

[The Norgan Alliance]

No, because the foetus isn't the man who raped her. And yes they have to be consented to separately, hence it's two consenting partners having sex. No foetus has consented to an abortion, I would think.

So do parasitic worms have to consent in order for us to remove them from our bodies?

Fetuses are not worms, they are humans!

[Mavorpen]

So do parasitic worms have to consent in order for us to remove them from our bodies?

Are they human?

Nice job dodging the question.

Do they have to consent?

[Mavorpen]

So do parasitic worms have to consent in order for us to remove them from our bodies?

Fetuses are not worms, they are humans!

Do they have to consent or not?

[Blasveck]

So do parasitic worms have to consent in order for us to remove them from our bodies?

Fetuses are not worms, they are humans!

Define human.

What makes something human?

[The Norgan Alliance]

Fetuses are not worms, they are humans!

Do they have to consent or not?

The worms of the humans?

[Tlaceceyaya]

No, because a fetus can't consent.

Therefore abortions shouldn't be allowed.

That is the logical conclusion of what I said only if you also think that tapeworm removal or goa'uld extraction shouldn't be allowed as well.

[Arcturus Novus]

OP, you'd be surprised to see how many people are pro-life and/or pro-capital punishment on NSG. Many of them also have views that you apparently call ironic.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Therefore abortions shouldn't be allowed.

That is the logical conclusion of what I said only if you also think that tapeworm removal or goa'uld extraction shouldn't be allowed as well.

Are you saying humans are the equivalent to tapeworms?

[Mavorpen]

Do they have to consent or not?

The worms of the humans?

What?

[The ivain isles]

No, because the foetus isn't the man who raped her. And yes they have to be consented to separately, hence it's two consenting partners having sex. No foetus has consented to an abortion, I would think.

It has no way of consenting nor not consenting.

It has no senses until a certain amount of time, no thoughts, no feelings, no nothing.

It's not human until it can survive outside the womb.

Until then, it is a trespasser against the mothers will if she revokes consent, and is, biologically, a parasite, taking nutrients directly from the mothers body, against her will, if she revokes consent.

Yet, as technology advances, a foetus can survive outside the womb further and further into a pregnancy, and hence my point. A foetus are legally unable to consent, they're just like many other groups that are unable to enter into contracts and are protected from such until they can.

[The Norgan Alliance]

The worms of the humans?

What?

Which are you speaking about? The worms or the humans?

[Blasveck]

That is the logical conclusion of what I said only if you also think that tapeworm removal or goa'uld extraction shouldn't be allowed as well.

Are you saying humans are the equivalent to tapeworms?

No, but fetuses are.

They're both, biologically, a parasite.

An neither of them can give consent.

So, what makes it okay to remove a tapeworm without consent, but not a fetus?

[The ivain isles]

Fetuses are not worms, they are humans!

Define human.

What makes something human?

A species is a group of animals which can successfully interbreed.

[Mavorpen]

Define human.

What makes something human?

A species is a group of animals which can successfully interbreed.

No it isn't. Tigers and lions are different species.

What the fuck do they teach you in Biology courses?

[The ivain isles]

Are they human?

Nice job dodging the question.

Do they have to consent?

If they're human, they have to give and have consent.

[Blasveck]

Define human.

What makes something human?

A species is a group of animals which can successfully interbreed.

So how is a fetus human?

It can't interbreed with anybody. Not yet, at least.

(Note: I'm for abortions until the 3rd/4th trimester, to clarify)

[The ivain isles]

A species is a group of animals which can successfully interbreed.

No it isn't. Tigers and lions are different species.

What the fuck do they teach you in Biology courses?

And produce fertile offspring, my bad, again.

[Mavorpen]

Nice job dodging the question.

Do they have to consent?

If they're human, they have to give and have consent.

No they don't. I don't need your consent to use deadly force if you attempt to take my kidney.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Are you saying humans are the equivalent to tapeworms?

No, but fetuses are.

They're both, biologically, a parasite.

An neither of them can give consent.

So, what makes it okay to remove a tapeworm without consent, but not a fetus?

Fetuses are different in one way though, they grow into something useful to society. I agree that fetuses are technically parasites, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily bad. Fetuses are only like tapeworms if they only stayed for 9 months, and would constantly give you love and presents well into your retirement years.

[Mavorpen]

No it isn't. Tigers and lions are different species.

What the fuck do they teach you in Biology courses?

And produce fertile offspring, my bad, again.

Still fucking wrong. Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are different species.

[Arcturus Novus]

That is the logical conclusion of what I said only if you also think that tapeworm removal or goa'uld extraction shouldn't be allowed as well.

Are you saying humans are the equivalent to tapeworms?

Fetuses are not yet humans. In the majority of their development (save for I would think the third trimester), they are essentially parasites. So, fetuses are the equivalent of tapeworms.

[Blakk Metal]

Why do you guys keep ignoring me?