Abortion and Capital Punishment

[Shaggai]

No, but fetuses are.

They're both, biologically, a parasite.

An neither of them can give consent.

So, what makes it okay to remove a tapeworm without consent, but not a fetus?

Fetuses are different in one way though, they grow into something useful to society. I agree that fetuses are technically parasites, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily bad. Fetuses are only like tapeworms if they only stayed for 9 months, and would constantly give you love and presents well into your retirement years.

Except that not all babies grow up to give you love and presents, and the psychological trauma of carrying an unwanted fetus for nine months is probably not worth it.

[Blasveck]

No, but fetuses are.

They're both, biologically, a parasite.

An neither of them can give consent.

So, what makes it okay to remove a tapeworm without consent, but not a fetus?

Fetuses are different in one way though, they grow into something useful to society. I agree that fetuses are technically parasites, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily bad. Fetuses are only like tapeworms if they only stayed for 9 months, and would constantly give you love and presents well into your retirement years.

What makes you think that the child will be better off in a household that didnt even want them?

"The child can be put up for adoption"

And then the child will be subject to a broken and bloated system, inclined to crime.

Better to end it than let the child live a life of suffering.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Are you saying humans are the equivalent to tapeworms?

Fetuses are not yet humans. In the majority of their development (save for I would think the third trimester), they are essentially parasites. So, fetuses are the equivalent of tapeworms.

Do tapeworms leave by themselves and shower you with love until you die if you show them a little kindness?

[The ivain isles]

If they're human, they have to give and have consent.

No they don't. I don't need your consent to use deadly force if you attempt to take my kidney.

Yet I need to have your consent to take it. The same goes, if you consent to me having your kidney, and three weeks after its implanted in me, you can't take it back.

[Mavorpen]

Fetuses are not yet humans. In the majority of their development (save for I would think the third trimester), they are essentially parasites. So, fetuses are the equivalent of tapeworms.

Do tapeworms leave by themselves and shower you with love until you die if you show them a little kindness?

Yes.

[Arcturus Novus]

Fetuses are not yet humans. In the majority of their development (save for I would think the third trimester), they are essentially parasites. So, fetuses are the equivalent of tapeworms.

Do tapeworms leave by themselves and shower you with love until you die if you show them a little kindness?

Are you implying that every human actually does that? The majority of my relatives are quite unlike that.

[Mavorpen]

No they don't. I don't need your consent to use deadly force if you attempt to take my kidney.

Yet I need to have your consent to take it.

Right. And the fetus doesn't have the consent of the mother. Glad you agree with me.

[Ceannairceach]

Fetuses are not yet humans. In the majority of their development (save for I would think the third trimester), they are essentially parasites. So, fetuses are the equivalent of tapeworms.

Do tapeworms leave by themselves and shower you with love until you die if you show them a little kindness?

Do children?

[The ivain isles]

And produce fertile offspring, my bad, again.

Still fucking wrong. Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are different species.

Nope, here your wrong, I'm afraid, we are the same species with Neanderthals, and there's evidence to show interbreeding here, and are you saying species can't interbreed and have fertile offspring?

[Blasveck]

Fetuses are different in one way though, they grow into something useful to society. I agree that fetuses are technically parasites, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily bad. Fetuses are only like tapeworms if they only stayed for 9 months, and would constantly give you love and presents well into your retirement years.

What makes you think that the child will be better off in a household that didnt even want them?

"The child can be put up for adoption"

And then the child will be subject to a broken and bloated system, inclined to crime.

Better to end it than let the child live a life of suffering.

Did you see this? I hope you saw it.

[The ivain isles]

Yet I need to have your consent to take it.

Right. And the fetus doesn't have the consent of the mother. Glad you agree with me.

Nice cutting job again, I'm glad to see your forced to resort to the Fox News equivalent of debating.

[Mavorpen]

Nope, here your wrong, I'm afraid, we are the same species with Neanderthals,

Please tell me you're joking.

This is Homo neanderthalis.

THIS is Homo erectus.

Again, what the fuck did you learn in Biology?

and are you saying species can't interbreed and have fertile offspring?

No, I'm saying you don't know how to actually define the word species.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Still fucking wrong. Homo erectus and Homo sapiens are different species.

Nope, here your wrong, I'm afraid, we are the same species with Neanderthals, and there's evidence to show interbreeding here, and are you saying species can't interbreed and have fertile offspring?

Same Genus, different species. It is possible for two different species in the same genus to interbreed with DNA that is very similar. But still different species. Plz lern 2 sciens.

[Mavorpen]

Right. And the fetus doesn't have the consent of the mother. Glad you agree with me.

Nice cutting job again

So what, do you not have an actual refutation?

[Blakk Metal]

Do tapeworms leave by themselves and shower you with love until you die if you show them a little kindness?

Do children?

Robin Samsoe didn't.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Do tapeworms leave by themselves and shower you with love until you die if you show them a little kindness?

Do children?

Yes, most of the time.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Do children?

Yes, most of the time.

Source or bust.
Because I don't see "most" children doing that.

[The ivain isles]

Nice cutting job again

So what, do you not have an actual refutation?

If there's one thing Fox News has showed me, it's that there's no point debating somebody who choses lives in an alternate universe of their own choosing, and ignore everything else that's happening around them.

[Mavorpen]

So what, do you not have an actual refutation?

If there's one thing Fox News has showed me, it's that there's no point debating somebody who choses lives in an alternate universe of their own choosing, and ignore everything else that's happening around them.

Precisely, which is why it's strange why I'm debating you. You've done nothing but repeat the same shit over and over and in the face of being demonstrated wrong, you shout, "NOPE!"

Also, just so you don't conveniently ignore this:

Nope, here your wrong, I'm afraid, we are the same species with Neanderthals,

Please tell me you're joking.

This is Homo neanderthalis.

THIS is Homo erectus.

Again, what the fuck did you learn in Biology?

and are you saying species can't interbreed and have fertile offspring?

No, I'm saying you don't know how to actually define the word species.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

So what, do you not have an actual refutation?

If there's one thing Fox News has showed me, it's that there's no point debating somebody who choses lives in an alternate universe of their own choosing, and ignore everything else that's happening around them.

If there's one thing Fox News has showed me, it's that people who watch Fox News are often incapable of debate.

[Blakk Metal]

So what, do you not have an actual refutation?

If there's one thing Fox News has showed me, it's that there's no point debating somebody who choses lives in an alternate universe of their own choosing, and ignore everything else that's happening around them.

I get it now.

Goddamn you, Poe's law.

[The ivain isles]

Nope, here your wrong, I'm afraid, we are the same species with Neanderthals, and there's evidence to show interbreeding here, and are you saying species can't interbreed and have fertile offspring?

Same Genus, different species. It is possible for two different species in the same genus to interbreed with DNA that is very similar. But still different species. Plz lern 2 sciens.

A1 in HLbio, and your ignoring the to produce fertile offspring.

[The Norgan Alliance]

Yes, most of the time.

Source or bust.
Because I don't see "most" children doing that.

This is something you can't source, its all from personal experience. I suppose this point goes to you.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Same Genus, different species. It is possible for two different species in the same genus to interbreed with DNA that is very similar. But still different species. Plz lern 2 sciens.

A1 in HLbio, and your ignoring the to produce fertile offspring.

HOMO ERECTUS:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: H. erectus

HOMO NEANDERTALENSIS:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: H. neanderthalensis

HOMO SAPIENS:
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Tribe: Hominini
Genus: Homo
Species: H. sapiens

You're clearly not as good at biology as you think you are.

[The ivain isles]

If there's one thing Fox News has showed me, it's that there's no point debating somebody who choses lives in an alternate universe of their own choosing, and ignore everything else that's happening around them.

Precisely, which is why it's strange why I'm debating you. You've done nothing but repeat the same shit over and over and in the face of being demonstrated wrong, you shout, "NOPE!"

Also, just so you don't conveniently ignore this:

Please tell me you're joking.

This is Homo neanderthalis.

THIS is Homo erectus.

Again, what the fuck did you learn in Biology?

No, I'm saying you don't know how to actually define the word species.

Coming from a guy who thinks the dead can reproduce, that's rich.