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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:53 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:It's very simple. One supports the restrictions of rights. The other supports the expansion of rights.

Being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights.

Except it is, specifically, restricting the rights of someone to marry someone else.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:53 pm

Emmadog wrote:
Divair wrote:It's very simple. One supports the restrictions of rights. The other supports the expansion of rights.

By your demonization of conservatives you are restricting there rights through fear.

Where did I demonize conservatives? And how does explaining the restriction of rights restrict rights? Do you even understand what restriction of rights is?

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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:54 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:It's very simple. One supports the restrictions of rights. The other supports the expansion of rights.

Being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights.

Except for gays, but fuck them, right?

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:54 pm

Agritum wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights.

Except it is, specifically, restricting the rights of someone to marry someone else.

No, being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights, preventing someone from getting a gay marriage is. Please learn the difference.
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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:55 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Agritum wrote:Except it is, specifically, restricting the rights of someone to marry someone else.

No, being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights, preventing someone from getting a gay marriage is. Please learn the difference.

It stilll means supporting the restriction of those rights.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:55 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights.

Except for gays, but fuck them, right?

Nice strawman and assumption. I expect better of you, div. You know I support SCOTUS' ruling.
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Postby Surfistan » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:55 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Tyriece wrote:What if, what if there was no such thing as homo or hetro sexuality and they were only preferences installed by society?
Just a thought.

So deep.


Pass me that spliff Joe, hey, what if like monkeys, are like actually more advanced then humans, but like pretend that they're not. Like woooow, man.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:56 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:Except for gays, but fuck them, right?

Nice strawman and assumption. I expect better of you, div. You know I support SCOTUS' ruling.

I'm sorry I don't recall every single person's posts. I'm a horrible NSGer.

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Postby Euroslavia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Nice strawman and assumption. I expect better of you, div. You know I support SCOTUS' ruling.

I'm sorry I don't recall every single person's posts. I'm a horrible NSGer.

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Agritum wrote:
Disserbia wrote:No, being against gay marriage is not restricting anyone's rights, preventing someone from getting a gay marriage is. Please learn the difference.

It sitll means supporting the restriction of those rights.

Which is not the same as restricting them, so stop with the ridiculous accusations. In addition, it doesn't come from a place of wanting to restrict the rights of gay people it comes from a place of that particular person's morals. Which may be a more nuanced view than you would like to admit.
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Mollary wrote:Hate and alcohol can unite most people.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

New Maldorainia wrote:Dissy likes touching my walruses.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Remember, birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you'll live.
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PC:
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
PS:
Right: 1.45
Libertarian: 6.22
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Postby Singpu » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Oh, can I be the moderator for once?

WARN.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=9230172#p9230172

Singpu wrote...
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Utceforp wrote:
Singpu wrote:Utceforp, can ezungal go ahead and go to girls? Also, sorry if my sleeping is off and reading noticeably, eye doctor dialatsted my eyes so...

I'm sorry, but I can't tell what you're saying...

Translation: utceforp, can ezungal go ahead and goto Farla? Also, sorry if my typing and reading is off noticeably, my eye doctor dialated my eyes, so...

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=338724

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Nice strawman and assumption. I expect better of you, div. You know I support SCOTUS' ruling.

I'm sorry I don't recall every single person's posts. I'm a horrible NSGer.

It's not like I posted it on that very page...
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Mollary wrote:Hate and alcohol can unite most people.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

New Maldorainia wrote:Dissy likes touching my walruses.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Remember, birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you'll live.
Funniest shit on this shite
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PC:
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
PS:
Right: 1.45
Libertarian: 6.22
Non-interventionist: 5.82
Cultural liberal: 2.23
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Postby Singpu » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:57 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Divair wrote:I'm sorry I don't recall every single person's posts. I'm a horrible NSGer.

50 spankings for you!


Oh, the mod beat me to it.
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=9230172#p9230172

Singpu wrote...
:o
Utceforp wrote:
Singpu wrote:Utceforp, can ezungal go ahead and go to girls? Also, sorry if my sleeping is off and reading noticeably, eye doctor dialatsted my eyes so...

I'm sorry, but I can't tell what you're saying...

Translation: utceforp, can ezungal go ahead and goto Farla? Also, sorry if my typing and reading is off noticeably, my eye doctor dialated my eyes, so...

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=338724

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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:58 pm

Singpu wrote:Oh, can I be the moderator for once?

WARN.

No.

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Postby Hornesia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Phocidaea wrote:
Hornesia wrote:No, this is gay propaganda. :p
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Furry propaganda. Different.

And while Gay Propaganda is banned in Russia, I think that's banned everywhere.

Then explain the rainbow flag background.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Divair wrote:I'm sorry I don't recall every single person's posts. I'm a horrible NSGer.

It's not like I posted it on that very page...

I'm sorry I missed a post. I'm a horrible NSGer.

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Postby The IASM » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Soji wrote:Coolios.

Have the conservatives blown up yet?

Image

That is pretty much my reaction.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:00 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:It's not like I posted it on that very page...

I'm sorry I missed a post. I'm a horrible NSGer.

There is still the issue of the strawman.
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Mollary wrote:Hate and alcohol can unite most people.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

New Maldorainia wrote:Dissy likes touching my walruses.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Remember, birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you'll live.
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PC:
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
PS:
Right: 1.45
Libertarian: 6.22
Non-interventionist: 5.82
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:00 pm

Disserbia wrote:There is still the issue of the strawman.

And you'd like what? A third apology? Getting greedy.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:01 pm

The IASM wrote:
Soji wrote:Coolios.

Have the conservatives blown up yet?

Image

That is pretty much my reaction.


Didn't you post the same words 2 pages ago?
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Postby Agritum » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:01 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Agritum wrote:It sitll means supporting the restriction of those rights.

Which is not the same as restricting them, so stop with the ridiculous accusations. In addition, it doesn't come from a place of wanting to restrict the rights of gay people it comes from a place of that particular person's morals. Which may be a more nuanced view than you would like to admit.

Except that it is due to people like those that things like Prop 8 get proposed and nearly put in motion. Someone who is against gay marriages would instantly jump on the occasion to prevent them, I would guess.

And regardless of the motives for why one is against them, the end result is still the restriction of the marriage rights of an individual, be it for religious/moral motives or not.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:02 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Agritum wrote:It sitll means supporting the restriction of those rights.

Which is not the same as restricting them, so stop with the ridiculous accusations. In addition, it doesn't come from a place of wanting to restrict the rights of gay people it comes from a place of that particular person's morals. Which may be a more nuanced view than you would like to admit.

Yes, a "morality" which states that gays are inferior and must be restricted.
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:03 pm

Agritum wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Which is not the same as restricting them, so stop with the ridiculous accusations. In addition, it doesn't come from a place of wanting to restrict the rights of gay people it comes from a place of that particular person's morals. Which may be a more nuanced view than you would like to admit.

Except that it is due to people like those that things like Prop 8 get proposed and nearly put in motion. Someone who is against gay marriages would instantly jump on the occasion to prevent them, I would guess.

And regardless of the motives for why one is against them, the end result is still the restriction of thhe marriage rights of an individual, be it for religious motives or not.

Motives definitely matter, if you can't acknowledge that then there is no point in debating any idea in general. Not everyone who is against gay marriage is going to do something like propose prop 8. The only people you can accuse of restricting rights are those that actually try to, and even then you can't accuse them of restricting rights for the sake of restricting rights or because they think gay people don't deserve the same rights as straight people. Stupid assumptions are stupid.
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PC:
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PS:
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Non-interventionist: 5.82
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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:04 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Which is not the same as restricting them, so stop with the ridiculous accusations. In addition, it doesn't come from a place of wanting to restrict the rights of gay people it comes from a place of that particular person's morals. Which may be a more nuanced view than you would like to admit.

Yes, a "morality" which states that gays are inferior and must be restricted.

Oh really? Where?
You can't spell scat fetish without catfish.
Mollary wrote:Hate and alcohol can unite most people.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

New Maldorainia wrote:Dissy likes touching my walruses.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Remember, birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you'll live.
Funniest shit on this shite
fakbuk and other random shit
PC:
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
PS:
Right: 1.45
Libertarian: 6.22
Non-interventionist: 5.82
Cultural liberal: 2.23
PT:
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In a more sane world I'd be a moderate Republican.

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Postby Disserbia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:05 pm

Divair wrote:
Disserbia wrote:There is still the issue of the strawman.

And you'd like what? A third apology? Getting greedy.

No, just for you to admit you had an oversimplified argument.
You can't spell scat fetish without catfish.
Mollary wrote:Hate and alcohol can unite most people.

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:One does not simply Mossad The Assad.

New Maldorainia wrote:Dissy likes touching my walruses.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Remember, birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you'll live.
Funniest shit on this shite
fakbuk and other random shit
PC:
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
PS:
Right: 1.45
Libertarian: 6.22
Non-interventionist: 5.82
Cultural liberal: 2.23
PT:
democratic National Liberal
In a more sane world I'd be a moderate Republican.

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