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by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:22 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:23 pm
by Forsher » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:24 pm
Individuality-ness wrote:Forsher wrote:
Well generally I am criticising feminism, of whatever NSG is calling feminism (okay, it gets a bit confused because I try to be critical of feminism as NSG's mainstream feminists see it... everyone is critical of the frequent misrepresentations and fringe extremists, usually -- see the burn the MRAs episode).
People who criticise feminism are often just blindly labelled MRAs (and the intent always seems to be insulting, they're not actually that popular with the people I tend to agree with either) and it has, quite notably and sadly not infamously, been suggested that MRAs are all burnt to be got rid of.
That's quite possibly why out of what amounts to the main three "NSG feminists" TSM is the only female one. I'd put NTTP up but she's a recent and less frequent addition to the threads.
I'm avoiding calling people MRAs who disagree with me. I personally think we should discuss these topics, not shut down conversation, and I've said as much when said person called for "death to the MRAs!!!".
The MRA movement is mostly overshadowed by the anti-feminists, which is sad, because there are pro-feminist MRA groups too.
by Vazdania » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:24 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:25 pm
by Libertarian California » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:25 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:25 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:26 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:26 pm
by 2nd Baron of Moyne » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:27 pm
Luveria wrote: He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:27 pm
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:27 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:28 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:28 pm
by Libertarian California » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:29 pm
by Libertarian California » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:29 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:29 pm
Luveria wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*
He was openly advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. He also has a love of police brutality.Prussia-Steinbach wrote:ikr
How does that work?
by Individuality-ness » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:30 pm
Forsher wrote:Individuality-ness wrote:I'm avoiding calling people MRAs who disagree with me. I personally think we should discuss these topics, not shut down conversation, and I've said as much when said person called for "death to the MRAs!!!".
The MRA movement is mostly overshadowed by the anti-feminists, which is sad, because there are pro-feminist MRA groups too.
Definitely. There are so many posts that read as, "I can't handle dissenting opinions, ban 'em all" these days that it's ridiculous.
With regards to that last bit... I know much less about the MRM and MRAs than I do about feminism but they are more organisational things than feminism which is much more a cultural force. I am not sure how clear that is but it makes sense to me.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:32 pm
by Luveria » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:32 pm
by Katganistan » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:33 pm
Individuality-ness wrote:This stems from a discussion of misogyny and a Facebook discussion.
Okay. Now for the big question. What is the worst thing that someone has ever called you on NS? What is the worst ad hominem that you've ever received from your opponents in a debate here?
Also, I'd like to know what your gender is.
After answering this question, please see the second spoiler as to why I'm asking you this question.In my experience it's been feminazi, slut, selfish whore, harlot, bitch, nutjob, closet FtM trans*, man-hater, unemployed warrior feminist... amongst others.
This still wins as the worst ad hominem I've ever gotten though. Long story short: someone took the time to find a really old photograph of me, Photoshopped it to make it look like there was cum on my face, and then used that picture to imply that I was a slut and a harlot, with a side of abduction and rape. Lovely.
The person I was talking to, a former male NSer, gave me this list: naive, foaming-at-the-mouth because I can't handle scientific research over personal anecdotes, blind, unimaginative, mushy fence sitter, elitist fucktard, closet conservative.Why am I asking you this question?
Basically, I'm curious about the types of ad hominem that one uses on a perceived opponent, and how it relates to gender. I get the feeling that when people perceive me as female, they start attacking my sexuality, my gender identity, and others, while for males, people tend to focus on their perceived character traits.
Example (that isn't me): In a discussion on philosophers (and I'm using this loosely here), Ayn Rand is often attacked on how ugly she is, and how no man ever really wants to fuck her. I know, I've done this in the past myself. In comparison, male philosophers are critiqued as idiotic, naive, or an array of other things that have nothing to do with their looks or sexual desirability.
Not trying to say that it sucks less for guys, but I'm curious to see whether there is a connection to gender and the ad homs used. I get the feeling that it is, but NSG, your thoughts?
by Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:33 pm
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